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Old 11-30-2011   #241
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I think Yates has the potential to he better than Schaub, but Schaub has led this team in game winning drives before. Let's not forget that. He has shown that he can be clutch.
Thats pretty lofty expectations for a 5th round draft choice.


While Schaub wont ever be confused with Tob Brady , Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees ..... He's in the group just below them even if his W/L record doesnt match theirs the team around him , more specifically the defense has a lot to do with that over the course of his career. He's a top 8 NFL QB.
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Shaub is good, at bus driving. He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do.
Maybe so. But teams built primarily on defense and the running game rarely need a "bus driver" QB who can carry the team on his back. They need a game manager -- one who efficiently executes the offense, may not be a great passer or have a rifle arm but is good enough to force the defense to respect the pass and move the chains, one who makes good decisions and minimizes turnovers.

Schaub is definitely in the top 10-12 QBs in the game but not in the top 5 -- he's somewhere in the "very solid" category in between. With defense and a running game, that should be good enough most of the time (save for the really bad decisions like the end of the Oakland game). Nevertheless, while I wish it wasn't under these circumstances or with this timing, I am looking forward to seeing whether or not Houston's QB of the future is already in the stable.
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Shaub is good, at bus driving.
Yeah, 9000+ yards in two years, something only 6 NFL QB's have ever done, is bus driving. And funny how he has done it with according to many people crap WR's other than AJ.

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He has never been the guy that can carry this franchise on this shoulders and beat teams on his own the way elite and other top tier QBs have/do. How many possible game winning drives have we seen end on a Schaub INT....way too many.
How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
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Yeah, 9000+ yards in two years, something only 6 NFL QB's have ever done, is bus driving. And funny how he has done it with according to many people crap WR's other than AJ.



How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
Yeah, a defense half as good as this year's would have gotten us to the playoffs the past couple of years with our offensive production.

Interesting to note that the majority of "elite" QBs also have good defenses that can hold a lead. Manning is the only one that I can think of that has not had a consistently good D.
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Yeah, a defense half as good as this year's would have gotten us to the playoffs the past couple of years with our offensive production.

Interesting to note that the majority of "elite" QBs also have good defenses that can hold a lead. Manning is the only one that I can think of that has not had a consistently good D.
GB's pass defense gives up more yardage (20) that last years Texans defense. Tho they do cause a lot of turnovers.
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GB's pass defense gives up more yardage (20) that last years Texans defense. Tho they do cause a lot of turnovers.
True, but they have a solid run defense. Currently ranked 13 in that category.

Tied for 11th in sacks, so that helps that poor pass coverage, as well.
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Schaub is good. He is not as good as:

- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Aaron Rodgers
- Drew Brees
- Philip Rivers (though he is having a real down year)
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Eli Manning (Eli is way more clutch - the first 3 quarters Schaub may be better)

After that it gets tough. Flacco, Ryan, Vick, Stafford all might be better or worse - the jury is still out on Newton and Dalton.

The thing about the first list: with the exception of Rivers all of those guys have a ring - while none of the others have one. But the other thing about the first list: you have to be really lucky to land a guy like that. There is no guarantee that Luck will once be in that list. And Bradford right now looks rather unimpressive...

A guy like Schaub probably doesn`t win you a Superbowl. But he sure won`t lose you a Superbowl. He is a guy that 20 other teams would like to have - and a guy with whom we can win a Superbowl (if our defense and running game stay as good as they are).

Now if Yates can become a player like Schaub we`d be a real lucky team. But please don`t expect too much - there is a reason why he was a 5th round pick. There is some promise, but there are also a lot of question marks. If everything goes as usual he may become a borderline #2 QB.
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For what it's worth, another quarterback that used initials as his name had an illustrious career. Here's hoping that TJ Yates puts up Y. A. Tittle numbers.... not to mention the first three letters of TJ's last name match up perfectly... Destiny!
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Schaub is good. He is not as good as:

- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Aaron Rodgers
- Drew Brees
I stop it right there.

- Ben Roethlisberger
- Eli Manning

Schaub fits in with these guys, in my estimation. What Roethlisberger and Manning have had that Schaub hasn't up to this point is a defense and a running game. Schaub is like the Marino in these guys (I'm not saying he's as good as Marino) -- Schaub doesn't have the Super Bowls but he's better from a statistical standpoint. He's done things passing yardage wise these guys haven't matched.

- Philip Rivers
I think he's horribly over-rated and without the right pieces around him (like Sproles and LT back in the day and a great defense), he's starting to show his weaknesses.

Flacco, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan... these guys are in this group as well. Good players but they've still got to "do it." Schaub is above them because he's been able to do statistically more with less.

The thing is... all of these guys are good enough to win Super Bowls, in my estimation. They just need the right pieces around them and some luck.
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Brady, Roethlisberger, and Eli all benefited from great defenses early in their
careers. No reason TJ can't do the same.
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The thing about Big Ben and Eli: they really show up when it matters. Both have shown the poise and the ability to completely take over a game and win it with amazing plays - and they have done it in the playoffs and in the Superbowl.

Schaub has had some clutch plays, also a lot of those were just AJ being a bad ass. But he never really had shown the: "it`s on me guys. Just follow me and we will win this thing" face. He is a great QB, but not necessary a great winner. When it is close he plays almost the same as he did at the start of the game. That`s not a bad thing, but QBs like Big Ben and Eli, they really shine in the clutch. That`s why they are in a group above Schaub.

Rivers is a hard one to figure out. The last years he had great stats and has really led the team - but always came up short as a huge disappointment. This year he basically sucks (lucky me has him on FF).
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Yates has swagger and appears in his youtube videos to be a slinger with plenty of arm. He cocks the ball barely past his ear and wrist rockets it out using a low forward trajectory. That could mean batted down balls. Regardless, any athletic guy who can get rid of the ball in an eye blink is going to be a handful for any defense.
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schaub has no touch and cant get ball downfield. i hope yates works out. schaub maxed out like three years ago and has nothing left. spare me comeback wins in the regular season and he isn't challenging marinos passing record and will NEVER challenge the passing td record cause he has no arm
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Yeah, 9000+ yards in two years, something only 6 NFL QB's have ever done, is bus driving. And funny how he has done it with according to many people crap WR's other than AJ.
Schaub also threw the ball more than anyone else during that time span.

It was also the only two years he was in the top ten in yards if I'm not mistaken.


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How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
This is true.

Schaub and the offense has had their warts, but they have been good enough to win games with a better defense.
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Schaub also threw the ball more than anyone else during that time span.

It was also the only two years he was in the top ten in yards if I'm not mistaken.
In 2009, Matt Schaub led the league in Yards with 4770 which was 200 more than Peyton and 6th most EVER at the time. In 2010, Schaub was 4th with 4370 and only Rivers, Manning, and Brees had more.
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It was Schaub, I put it on there the day we traded for him.
For some reason, I thought it was that other #8
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Thats pretty lofty expectations for a 5th round draft choice.


While Schaub wont ever be confused with Tob Brady , Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees ..... He's in the group just below them even if his W/L record doesnt match theirs the team around him , more specifically the defense has a lot to do with that over the course of his career. He's a top 8 NFL QB.
I'd have loved to see Schaub in the play-offs. When games mattered, if he played with that urgency we've seen him play with before.

I have no doubt in my mind that Schaub can be on the same level as those guys, he just hasn't had the opportunity. This team is primed for it right now. I thought we were in for something special this season, & Matt Schaub was a big part of that.

The Play-offs are when champions are forged.

Schaub after a play-off run would be a totally different QB than he is now.
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How many game winning drives have we seen in the past couple years have we seen Schaub orchestrate only to have Kris Brown miss a field goal or the D to turn around and allow a game winning drive to the opposing team? - way too many.
See. If he had IT like Tebow, VY, & maybe Yates, Kris Brown wouldn't miss any field goals, Chris Brown would have thrown it in the stands & the defense would be #1.....
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In 2009, Matt Schaub led the league in Yards with 4770 which was 200 more than Peyton and 6th most EVER at the time. In 2010, Schaub was 4th with 4370 and only Rivers, Manning, and Brees had more.
And he didn't have Foster busting multiple 75+ yac plays.
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