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Old 10-10-2005   #21
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IMO you are mis-reading that quote and blowing it way out of proportion. Carr is not saying he does not have any confidence in himself, he is specifically addressing the situation of losing AJ and the ability (not that it has been used since the mid-point of last season) to throw balls up to AJ and let him go get them like he did in the Minnesota game last year. All he is really saying is he has to build that confidence in another WR with AJ on the sideline. It might have been worded more politically correctly like build "rapport" or something but you are turning a blah mole-hill sports soundbite into a mountain.
Carr has looked shell-shocked from the first game. The O-line is not getting the job done pass-blocking, period. But Carr is not winning any awards for composure or showing confidence in his teammates. If all you do is run around like a chicken without a head, whether there is real or just perceived pressure, you have lost your confidence. Carr has already been reprimanded for his tirades on the field. Now he's publicly stating that his other receivers can't get open or catch balls. Granted he's thrown one good pass all year that hit Gaffney in the head, which doesn't garner much confidence, but Carr is totally lost now. He even said he feels like he's playing his rookie year. We all saw him take 76 sacks his first year and he took them with composure. Now he has happy feet all the time. Whether it's warranted or not, you need to have a QB who shows composure and leadership.
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Pretty pathetic quote coming from our team "leader". What a great way to pump up your WR's by giving them backhanded non-compliments.

Nothing new about QBs having confidence with certain WRs. You hear this all the time from sports writers, but never quoted from the teams QB.

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And you (touttail) are acting as if Carr CONNECTS every time he has the protection to get a pass off.

He was SIGNIFICANTLY more accurate in the previous three seasons.

Look: How does DD get almost 200 yards of production Sunday, by the same offensive line, and yet Carr can't "get enough protection" to throw a ball?

I saw McNair take THREE-STEP drops and the ball was out of his hands on the third step: ONE, TWO, THREE (POW!). ONE, TWO, THREE (POW!).

Carr isn't doing that, touttail. He's hitting his third step and freezing up. Instead of having a pre-determined "read" and snapping the ball with a primary receiver in mind, it's as if he's changing his mind between the second and third step on a three-step drop. And that's causing the o line to get the blame!

Come one, man. I know the o line is not the best in the world...but they're human, too, and they're probably sick and tired of protecting Carr only to see him overthrow, underthrow, and flat out fail to make a connection with a WR on a CONSISTENT basis.

This is a two-way dance, and some of you guys are acting like the o line is the only problem. Take a breather and watch the next game. Watch Carr change his mind half-way into his drop, watch him hop up and down 20 times instead of standing firm like Tom Brady, and watch him freeze up and start to run. It's an epidemic, and the cure is not to hang it ALL on the o line.

It would help if Carr would hold up his end of the deal when he DOES get time to throw, and it would give his o line incentive to try hard on every play. I've said it over and over: Bust your rear play-after-play and watch your QB fail to produce HIMSELF...then tell me what's going through YOUR head when that happens. I'll tell you what's happening. The o line thinks, 'What's it worth? He give him time and he WASTES it."

You gotta pick your spots in the NFL, and last time I checked there's not a single NFL team that has a QB who hasn't been sacked in any NFL season. They all get pressured, they all have to pull it down and run, and (GASP!) they all get sacked between 10 and 40 times a year over a 16-game season.

It's going to happen.

Boomer Esiason AND Dan Marino on the postgame show were just laughing at Carr. LAUGHING. Those are tow of the most immobile QBs in the history of the league, and they KNOW that an NFL Qb has to get the ball out of his hands even if he doesn;t think it's the right "read," or whatever. Boomer and Dan BOTH were just piling on Carr. That's coming from two guys who have had their fair share of lumps, and they'r enot hanging it ALL on the o line.
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I never said Carr connects every pass when he has time. That one play in Cincy stood out to me. He was in the pocket, had time to look at his WRs, and connected on a good pass.

I agree that he has had some time and threw it away or not close to a reciever.

I still think he is a good QB and would love to see him behind a good OLine, instead of a mediocre like ours.

One reason he was better in years past, is that AJ was not double teamed as much as he is now. Also, they know we don't have a good #2 WR, so they can send the farm on pass rushing. Hopefully Mathis (or Armstrong if they would play him) can change this.

I think Carr's big problem is being shell shocked form getting creamed constantly.

I don't pretend to be a head coach, I feel we call it like we see it. We could probably argue this till the cows come home---LOL.

Guess I was probably a little strong in my statement, and for this I appoligize.

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I think it has something to do w/ him getting laid out so many times in his professional career. It's in his head, but then again the reality is that it is still happening.
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I have stated this before.
Carr was a killer passer in college.
Do you think the coaches have asked him what's he comfortable with, or do they tell him, this is our offense and this is how it's gonna be?

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Look: How does DD get almost 200 yards of production Sunday, by the same offensive line, and yet Carr can't "get enough protection" to throw a ball?
if the line can runblock and not passblock. its two seperate things.
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I have stated this before.
Carr was a killer passer in college.
Do you think the coaches have asked him what's he comfortable with, or do they tell him, this is our offense and this is how it's gonna be?
So was Andre Ware and David Klingler but big stats in College do not translate to the pros necessarily.
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Carr ride the pine!

I have said this till I'm blue in the face.
No QB in the history of the game can compete with the time Carr has to throw the ball. He is either on his back or someone is in his face.
Dammit man, Hercules couldn't complete a pass with the whole defense keying on you because they know they will be half @$$ed blocked.

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I couldn't agree more. There's not one QB in the league that could do any better. However, a question I've asking is why try to pass out of the pocket when you're getting that much pressure? Try rolling out. Just make sure someone is on the outside to slow the rush down. A moving target is harder to hit.
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IMO you are mis-reading that quote and blowing it way out of proportion. Carr is not saying he does not have any confidence in himself, he is specifically addressing the situation of losing AJ and the ability (not that it has been used since the mid-point of last season) to throw balls up to AJ and let him go get them like he did in the Minnesota game last year. All he is really saying is he has to build that confidence in another WR with AJ on the sideline. It might have been worded more politically correctly like build "rapport" or something but you are turning a blah mole-hill sports soundbite into a mountain.
But, that, it appears, is what this board is all about. Find a quote by someone, especially the high priced QB, and spin it to make it look bad. It is so funny, I spent hours reading threads and posts last night after the game and was suprised at the lack of Carr bashers. It seemed all the heat was pointed at the coaching staff. But just give 'em 24 hours and they are all over the high paid , highly personable, good skills having, California pretty boy who has given much to this organization. And whom the organization has given very little back, other than the obligatory millions of $'s!

Go ahead, throw it out there, "yeah, but he hasn't given us wins." I think we have beaten that in the ground. "Not all Carrs fault" "o-line sucks" "defense isn't much better"

I saw an article in the Chronicle today that said it would be 80 degrees tomorrow! What do you think they meant by that? Do you want the link?
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Touttail--I have been and still am one of David's biggest fans, and I also think he's more than a little shell shocked. You mentioned D Armstrong. I have no idea why he's not playing more. All he does is make clutch catches. All us fans want is to see them look as if they're doing more than going through the motions. Mailing it in is the phrase, I guess.There's only 3 or 4 of them consistently giving it all they have, and you have to wonder how long before they too start giving up. Hate to see major changes this early in the season, but I think it's time for a change, before it gets (dare I say it) worse.
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