Connor Barwin: better than mario? Yes!

[Number19]

This is the first year in Wade's defense. We don't know how good Mario can be.

[HJam72]

I call over or under.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by GP

What's the over/under on number of pages this thread ends up having.

I call it at 14 pages. Over or under?

Under. People will get bored of it and we have more to discuss than this.

9-10 at the very max IMO.

[HJam72]

Originally Posted by Number19

This is the first year in Wade's defense. We don't know how good Mario can be.

Yes, we do. He will get 3 or 4 sacks and then go down in game 3 with an injury.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Barwin better suited to play OLB in a 3-4 that's all.

Well, considering he was crying about the prospect of playing DE in the 3-4, I guess that's all that matters now. Bye, bye Mario. Where to spend that $14 million? hmmm. A little depth on defense and then some more help on offense? sound good to me!

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

not very competitive when its a one man race. Where was this thread when mario was leading the team in sacks.

That's the point. MW is hurt again so this thread really doesn't have a purpose.

For the $$$$ MW makes vs Barwin's $$$$.

Barwin is>>>>>> MW

[Wolf]

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

not very competitive when its a one man race. Where was this thread when mario was leading the team in sacks.

I have believed this for quite some time. Last year's posts were about Antonio Smith being better. Believe me, all the Mario apologists have seen plenty of similar posts early in the year. 5 game winning streak once Mario went down and an upward trend on defense. I wish he was around for depth this year. But, I'll be glad when the year is over and we have the $14 million in cap money to spend elsewhere!

[Wolf]

why can't we just like our players for who they are?

WTF?

he has 4.5 sacks before this game.. and gets ONE game where he pretty much matches the total.. I am ecstatic on this but some fans are just funny and have to compare every player with every stat imaginable


so is it safe for me to say he "takes games off" because in 5 games he gets sacks and in 6 games he took a vacation?

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by Number19

This is the first year in Wade's defense. We don't know how good Mario can be.

mario also didnt get to line up against david carr v2 aka foetal gabbert

what a dumbass thread. i like connor and hes definitely improving the more he plays but dale's anti-mario agenda =

[BullNation4Life]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Well, considering he was crying about the prospect of playing DE in the 3-4, I guess that's all that matters now. Bye, bye Mario. Where to spend that $14 million? hmmm. A little depth on defense and then some more help on offense? sound good to me!

NEVER repeat NEVER cried about playing a 3-4 defense. Mario Williams has been quoted numerous times as saying he had concerns in playing in a 3-4 considering he never played in a 3-4 and had no idea what to expect. If you are going to slander a player, at least get your damn facts straight.

but then again, coming from someone that lives in Haterville USA where the population is you, I wouldn't expect you to actually post what players actually said to the media. Most with agendas rarely do...

your credibility is plummeting into negative status as I type...

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I have believed this for quite some time. Last year's posts were about Antonio Smith being better. Believe me, all the Mario apologists have seen plenty of similar posts early in the year. 5 game winning streak once Mario went down and an upward trend on defense. I wish he was around for depth this year. But, I'll be glad when the year is over and we have the $14 million in cap money to spend elsewhere!

also the meat of our schedule while mario was in and he still had the numbers. i find the reed/barwin comparisons funny because how often does mario go completely unblocked? did mario get to rack up sacks against the david "fetal" carr type failure that is blaine gabbart (twice)? did he get to destroy tennessee or "i hope i dont get sacked 3 times in a row" tampa bay?

i've blasted mario plenty, and assumed that he'd fail spectacularly as a linebacker, but he proved me and everybody wrong against our toughest opponents. health is a concern to a very small degree (in the "what have you done for me lately" category), but if healthy he has 12+ sacks at this point and we're a more overwhelming defense.

[BullNation4Life]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I have believed this for quite some time. Last year's posts were about Antonio Smith being better. Believe me, all the Mario apologists have seen plenty of similar posts early in the year. 5 game winning streak once Mario went down and an upward trend on defense. I wish he was around for depth this year. But, I'll be glad when the year is over and we have the $14 million in cap money to spend elsewhere!

Please tell me this does not mean that Mario Williams would have been 2nd string to wither Barwin or Reed? Tell me you just did not say that....

[buddyboy]

Originally Posted by GP

What's the over/under on number of pages this thread ends up having.

I call it at 14 pages. Over or under?

It'll hit about 8, and then get revived several times in the next couple years giving it a grand total of 15.

Over.

[VTexan]

[texanfan2002114]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Well, considering he was crying about the prospect of playing DE in the 3-4, I guess that's all that matters now. Bye, bye Mario. Where to spend that $14 million? hmmm. A little depth on defense and then some more help on offense? sound good to me!

That money will come down no matter what next year, especially if the Texans tag him with the franchise tag. I saw somewhere this morning on NFLN that the tag # for DE's will go from $13 million down to $10.6 million when the new CBA takes effect. All position tags will go down, so my money is that Mario will be here next year.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-board-in-2012

"Quarterback: $14.4 million (down from $16.1 million in 2011, $16.4 million in 2010); Drew Brees

Running back: $7.7 million (down from $9.6 million in 2011, $8.2 million in 2010); Matt Forte, Ray Rice

Wide receiver: $9.4 million (down from 11.4 million in 2011, $9.5 million in 2010); DeSean Jackson, Vincent Jackson*, Steve Johnson, Wes Welker

Tight end: $5.4 million (down from $7.3 million in 2011, $5.9 million in 2010); Fred Davis, Jermichael Finley

Offensive line: $9.4 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $10.7 million in 2010); Ben Grubbs, Carl Nicks

Defensive end: $10.6 million (down from $13 million in 2011, $12.4 million in 2010); Jason Jones, Mario Williams*

Defensive tackle: $7.9 million (down from $12.5 million in 2011; it was $7 million in 2010); Paul Soliai*

Linebacker: $8.8 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $9.7 million in 2010); Stephen Tulloch

Cornerback: $10.6 million (down from $13.5 million in 2011; tag was $9.6 million in 2010); Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes

Safety: $6.2 million (down from $8.8 million in 2011, $6.5 million in 2010); "

[Iceman16]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Barwin better suited to play OLB in a 3-4 that's all.

And still not better.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

You're so far from objectivity on this topic that I can't take anything you say seriously.

Or any other topic that has to do with football. Dude lost all credibility a couple years ago.

[TexansBull]

this falls in the same arguement of those people who say "VY just wins."

Its a Richard Justice type of article that just gets people going without sound logic.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by texanfan2002114

That money will come down no matter what next year, especially if the Texans tag him with the franchise tag. I saw somewhere this morning on NFLN that the tag # for DE's will go from $13 million down to $10.6 million when the new CBA takes effect. All position tags will go down, so my money is that Mario will be here next year.

The position which would apply would be LB not DE since that is what he was playing this year but it is irrelevant as it is the greater of those numbers or last year's compensation plus 20%.