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Old 11-24-2011   #1
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Injured Texans quarterback Matt Schaub(notes) was back at practice on Thanksgiving, wearing a protective boot on his right foot as he kept a close eye on his replacement, Matt Leinart.
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Coach Gary Kubiak said Schaub will travel with the team this weekend and be available to support Leinart, rookie T.J. Yates and third-stringer Kellen Clemens, who signed with Houston on Wednesday.

“He needs to stay very much involved,” Kubiak said. “I think there’s a way he can help this team, so we’re going to give him a chance to do that. It’s just tough to see him standing back there.”

But Kubiak isn’t sure how much Schaub will be able to help after his surgery. Schaub said he faces a long recovery, starting with 6-8 weeks of non-weight-bearing activity.
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Default Re: Texas QB Schaub back at practice to help Leinart

Schaub should still be able to help Leinart and the other QBs with everything off the field after the injury. Its a shame that he won't be of much help during the games though after his surgery unless he sits on the bench and goes over the photos with them.
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When did Schaub start playing his home games in Austin?
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I'd hate to be in Schaubs shoes right now. Its got to be eating him up inside after all these years of failure that he isnt able to get on the field and contribute to the teams success in a deep playoff run.
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From a medical standpoint, I don't understand how they could allow him to be walking around out there, boot or not. His priority, and only priority, should be doing anything he can to lessen the amount of swelling to give his upcoming surgery the best chance of success.

Doc, can you comment on this, because this isnt making much sense to me.
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Default Re: Texas QB Schaub back at practice to help Leinart

From everything I've read they've said anything he does on his feet right now can't make it any worse. The only thing that can make it worse is a new injury that has nothing to do with the current one. The boot is on and will help keep the swelling down so he'll be alright until his surgery on Wednesday.

Not a doctor, but thats what I gathered
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The things from that article that stand out to me:

1. Doctors told him he didn't injure it further by staying in the game. So the "word" from a non-Texans doctor is that Schaub staying in the game was not an action that compounded the injury. Exact words were:

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He hurt his foot in the second quarter against Tampa Bay and played the entire second half, but said he didn't make the injury more severe by staying in that game.

"Talking to the doctors, there wasn't anything I could do worse to it, other than something new," he said.
2. Schaub is not only saying he's going to be ready for the 2012 season, he's throwing out the "C" word....camp. The exact words were:

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But Kubiak isn't sure how much Schaub will be able to help after his surgery. Schaub said he faces a long recovery, starting with 6-8 weeks of non-weight-bearing activity.

"It's not a quick turnaround, as far as rehabilitation," Schaub said. "It's going to be an offseason getting ready and getting right for training camp."
3. Albert Haynesworth and Matt Schaub seemingly have their destinies tied together. Like a magnet and iron. One guy is with his third team and not making any positive impact, the other guy has been steadily rising and making many positive impacts on his own team. And even though Matt Schaub is in a valley right now, he says (and I believe it, too) he's going to come back. The exact words:

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"The physical side of it and actually getting hurt is part of the game and I can handle that," he said. "Mentally and all that, I can deal with that. I'll be back. I'll get back.

"But after all the hard work I've put in and this team's put in, this organization, to get to this point, with six weeks to go, that's the frustrating part, to not see it through with my team," he said. "That's the frustrating part, to get to this point and not be able to finish it."
It seems RBs have a more difficult time coming back and being effective after this type of injury. From what has been posted on here, QBs have a better shot at making an effective comeback. Coupled with what we know must be a severely pissed off Matt Schaub, he's itching to recover and show Albert Haynesworth who is legitimate and who is the wussie out of the two.
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From everything I've read they've said anything he does on his feet right now can't make it any worse. The only thing that can make it worse is a new injury that has nothing to do with the current one. The boot is on and will help keep the swelling down so he'll be alright until his surgery on Wednesday.

Not a doctor, but thats what I gathered
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From a medical standpoint, I don't understand how they could allow him to be walking around out there, boot or not. His priority, and only priority, should be doing anything he can to lessen the amount of swelling to give his upcoming surgery the best chance of success.

Doc, can you comment on this, because this isnt making much sense to me.
I think there's a misunderstanding.

Schaub likely isn't bearing weight on it right now. It's in a boot, but I bet he's not walking on it.

I think the confusion is happening because Schaub said the doctors said he couldn't have done any more damage to it by having stayed in the Bucs game as long as he had. Past tense.
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I'd hate to be in Schaubs shoes right now. Its got to be eating him up inside after all these years of failure that he isnt able to get on the field and contribute to the teams success in a deep playoff run.
Plz tell me you didn't do that on purpose... since one of his "shoes" is a walking boot.
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The things from that article that stand out to me:

1. Doctors told him he didn't injure it further by staying in the game. So the "word" from a non-Texans doctor is that Schaub staying in the game was not an action that compounded the injury. Exact words were:


And the stork is where babies come from.................for public consumption only.......



2. Schaub is not only saying he's going to be ready for the 2012 season, he's throwing out the "C" word....camp. The exact words were:


Although anything is possible, his ability to perform to pre-injury level at that time is yet to be seen.....................again, tagging the timeline as to specifics at this point is for public consumption.


3. Albert Haynesworth and Matt Schaub seemingly have their destinies tied together. Like a magnet and iron. One guy is with his third team and not making any positive impact, the other guy has been steadily rising and making many positive impacts on his own team. And even though Matt Schaub is in a valley right now, he says (and I believe it, too) he's going to come back. The exact words:



It seems RBs have a more difficult time coming back and being effective after this type of injury. From what has been posted on here, QBs have a better shot at making an effective comeback. Coupled with what we know must be a severely pissed off Matt Schaub, he's itching to recover and show Albert Haynesworth who is legitimate and who is the wussie out of the two.
As I have posted before, in general, this would hold true. However, trying to predict any one particular player in any one group is impossible.........especially if the degree of Lisfranc injury is not similar.

Brady Quinn made it back the next year after a January injury. But FWI, he unlike Schaub, had a relatively minor Lisfranc tendon PARTIAL tear that was STABLE. The Lisfranc injury that Quinn sustained was not accompanied by the complicating factors of dislocation or fractures. He was seen by the SAME SPECIALIST that saw Schaub, Dr. Robert Anderson, who confirmed that Quinn's injury did NOT require surgery. And, lastly, Quinn is right handed and sustained his injury to the LEFT foot......his NON-PLANT foot.

Please understand that surgery that is required and that is well performed to reconstruct apparently normal anatomy does not always restore the foot to its previous condition.
This is especially true with Lisfranc fracture injury.
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From a medical standpoint, I don't understand how they could allow him to be walking around out there, boot or not. His priority, and only priority, should be doing anything he can to lessen the amount of swelling to give his upcoming surgery the best chance of success.

Doc, can you comment on this, because this isnt making much sense to me.
Swelling never facilitates healing. Time frame of significant swelling will be dictated by the extent of the injuries. This time frame typically can be anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 months. During this period, simply having the foot down, in or out of the boot, will encourage maximal swelling. This places greater pressures onto the nerves, blood vessels and muscles confined within their relatively unyielding anatomic foot and/or lower leg compartments, potentially further damaging some of those structures already damaged or damaging some that were not previously damaged.
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As I have posted before, in general, this would hold true. However, trying to predict any one particular player in any one group is impossible.........especially if the degree of Lisfranc injury is not similar.

Brady Quinn made it back the next year after a January injury. But FWI, he unlike Schaub, had a relatively minor Lisfranc tendon PARTIAL tear that was STABLE. The Lisfranc injury that Quinn sustained was not accompanied by the complicating factors of dislocation or fractures. He was seen by the SAME SPECIALIST that saw Schaub, Dr. Robert Anderson, who confirmed that Quinn's injury did NOT require surgery. And, lastly, Quinn is right handed and sustained his injury to the LEFT foot......his NON-PLANT foot.

Please understand that surgery that is required and that is well performed to reconstruct apparently normal anatomy does not always restore the foot to its previous condition.
This is especially true with Lisfranc fracture injury.
Well, I never said I put stock in what info gets pushed onto us. I'm merely saying that Schaub says his doctor said he didn't injure it further by having stayed in the game.

For all I know, the doctor is saying what the patient wants to hear. Or, the doctor is saying what the Texans want him to say. Or, Schaub is putting out a variation of the verdict that he, or the Texans, want people to hear. A lot of shades of gray could be going on here.

Secondly, I only was saying what Schaub was saying about his return timetable. His words, not mine. Either Schaub has been told he MIGHT return as early as camp (which I doubt) or Schaub is saying this to motivate himself and try to keep from losing his mind over the whole situation.

Lastly, no matter what happens with the surgery, the recovery time, and the rehab and subsequent trial and error of getting onto the field and throwing the football competitively again...we all know that he's going to get there and he's going to try his best to be competitive again. The outcome? Who knows.

I just know that Matt Schaub is going to try and once again show Albert Haynesworth that what is, and what will BE, are going to be two different things. Schaub isn't an elite QB, but he has my attention in the area of never giving up and never backing down.
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Well, I never said I put stock in what info gets pushed onto us. I'm merely saying that Schaub says his doctor said he didn't injure it further by having stayed in the game.

For all I know, the doctor is saying what the patient wants to hear. Or, the doctor is saying what the Texans want him to say. Or, Schaub is putting out a variation of the verdict that he, or the Texans, want people to hear. A lot of shades of gray could be going on here.

Secondly, I only was saying what Schaub was saying about his return timetable. His words, not mine. Either Schaub has been told he MIGHT return as early as camp (which I doubt) or Schaub is saying this to motivate himself and try to keep from losing his mind over the whole situation.

Lastly, no matter what happens with the surgery, the recovery time, and the rehab and subsequent trial and error of getting onto the field and throwing the football competitively again...we all know that he's going to get there and he's going to try his best to be competitive again. The outcome? Who knows.

I just know that Matt Schaub is going to try and once again show Albert Haynesworth that what is, and what will BE, are going to be two different things. Schaub isn't an elite QB, but he has my attention in the area of never giving up and never backing down.
GP, I didn't mean to imply otherwise......I do indeed realize that you were only reporting what Schaub said. I also read the quotes on the web site and came to much the same conclusions as you on the real value of hanging our hat on what he was saying. I would be elated if he returned fully "intact," even by the regular season.
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