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Old 11-21-2011   #21
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Eagles are tied for 4th in the NFL in sacks. Ahead of both the Texans and 49ers.
The only reason why they are ahead of the Texans is because they were on a bye. Texans were #2 heading into the weekend. Also they are only ahead of the Texans by 1 sack (29 to 28).
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The only reason why they are ahead of the Texans is because they were on a bye. Texans were #2 heading into the weekend. Also they are only ahead of the Texans by 1 sack (29 to 28).
Both teams have now played 10 games. It is a fair comparison. The Texans and Eagles both get good pressure on the QB. Still, Joseph looks like a world-beater and Nnambi looks mediocre. I'm sure the Eagles will learn how to use Nnambi more effectively and he'll eventually play much better. That being said, the Texans got the younger guy and the guy that is fitting in perfectly with what they want to do. Oh, and he was cheaper. Way to go, Rick Smith and company!
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On another note, I don't think thanking our Texans front office for the Joseph signing carries much weight.

There's just sinking feeling in my stomach that if Nhamdi chose us over anyone else and stopped the negotiating games he was playing a few days earlier, we would have snatched him up no matter what the cost.

It was more of a fluke really.

Regardless, it played it out well for us.
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On another note, I don't think thanking our Texans front office for the Joseph signing carries much weight.

There's just sinking feeling in my stomach that if Nhamdi chose us over anyone else and stopped the negotiating games he was playing a few days earlier, we would have snatched him up no matter what the cost.

It was more of a fluke really.

Regardless, it played it out well for us.
I don't think so. If it had been a "no matter the cost" situation, we would have matched or exceeded the Philly offer. No, I think we had a figure in mind and once Nnamdi turned it down we said, "Thank you for stopping by. You can show yourself out."
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On another note, I don't think thanking our Texans front office for the Joseph signing carries much weight.

There's just sinking feeling in my stomach that if Nhamdi chose us over anyone else and stopped the negotiating games he was playing a few days earlier, we would have snatched him up no matter what the cost.

It was more of a fluke really.

Regardless, it played it out well for us.
Our Front Office didn't wait until the very end for his decision. They made their offer. They waited for a response. When no response was forthcoming, they moved on. Commend them for that.

If Nnamdi had said, "Yes." They would have signed him. He was the highest rated CB on the market. No shame there.

But unlike previous years, they didn't allow themselves to be strung along and used as a bargaining chip to drive up someone else's price. Our FO did a great job in realizing that it was time to move on.

If Nnamdi was in our defense, maybe he'd be having another shutdown year, too. But instead, he got stuck with a rookie defensive coordinator who was an offensive line coach or something silly like that last year.

Our FO did good. They had an all around stellar off season and we've been reaping the benefits of it this year.
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Joseph + Manning > Asomugha

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Okay, perhaps "no matter what the cost" was the wrong choice of words. But like I said, had he and his agent had stopped playing the games they were playing, there's a realistic possibility that we would have signed Nhamdi to a deal higher than the one we gave Joseph.

Regardless, like someone else noted, both would have looked crazy good in Wade's system.
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On another note, I don't think thanking our Texans front office for the Joseph signing carries much weight.

There's just sinking feeling in my stomach that if Nhamdi chose us over anyone else and stopped the negotiating games he was playing a few days earlier, we would have snatched him up no matter what the cost.

It was more of a fluke really.

Regardless, it played it out well for us.
Now you see, that is exactly what aggravates me about this fricken place. So quick to heave condemnation, but when praise is called for, like in this instance, it's like you just got told you need a root canal.
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I couldn't agree more!
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On another note, I don't think thanking our Texans front office for the Joseph signing carries much weight.

There's just sinking feeling in my stomach that if Nhamdi chose us over anyone else and stopped the negotiating games he was playing a few days earlier, we would have snatched him up no matter what the cost.

It was more of a fluke really.

Regardless, it played it out well for us.
No sir, you would be wrong! We wound up with TWO players for a slight more cost over Aso... The Texans (to their credit) weren't going to fall for the Leigh Bodden BS... They saw what Aso was all about and decided to sign two guys that actually wanted to be here....

The FO can take a lot of heat for a lot of things, but they actually got this one right!!! Props to them.


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I think the comparison is less Aso vs Joseph, and more Phillips vs Castillo.

When you looked at Aso vs Joseph, most people said the same thing: Aso was the better cover corner, but that's all he did in Oakland is play man to man. Joseph on the other hand gave up a bit in coverage, but was more versatile and played the run a little better. I believe pro football focus said the main thing Joseph had over Aso was he was better in press man coverage (at least I think it was PFF).

Phillips was said to value Joseph a bit more due to him being able to play so many ways well vs just 1 way really well. That is definitely showing up in what Wade is doing - being able to mix up coverages.

On the other hand, Castillo decides he wants to make Aso into the 2nd coming of Charles Woodson. The main problem with this is Aso is used to playing man and just not giving catches to the other team, he never really had to play zone or tackle a guy as they hardly caught the ball. For those of you who do not know much about Woodson and the packers D, Capers uses a nickel D the vast majority of the time. He can do this because he can deploy Woodson as a LB, Safety, or CB. Woodson literally floats around the D and goes where he needs to. He is a fantastic tackler.

Basically, here is the short of it:
We obviously made a good choice, because Joseph has been fantastic. He is younger and more versatile, making him more effective for Wade's D and I am sure the front office much prefers to give that much money to a younger guy. However, Aso is not as bad as he looks, he is just being used wrong by being deployed in too much zone and in a "floating" coverage (although they seem to have abandoned this pretty quick). His better games have been when he was deployed in almost exclusively man coverage.
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No sir, you would be wrong! We wound up with TWO players for a slight more cost over Aso... The Texans (to their credit) weren't going to fall for the Leigh Bodden BS... They saw what Aso was all about and decided to sign two guys that actually wanted to be here....

The FO can take a lot of heat for a lot of things, but they actually got this one right!!! Props to them.


Fluke my arse!!!
They got it right, because Asomugha said, "No thanks....... "

Really?

Had they never made an attempt to get Aso, if their plan was to get Jjo & Manning/Weddle all along, then you're right.

As it is, it worked out for them. They didn't waste time playing games with Aso. We got two great FAs instead of one..... yes, they did great in those areas.

But it's not like they decided Jjo+Manning > Nnamdi Asomugha.....

Nnamdi made that decision for them.
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Joseph was the right guy to sign. Best FA signing in the history of the franchise.
Love JonJo, but best free agent signing = Arian?
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For those of you who do not know much about Woodson and the packers D, Capers uses a nickel D the vast majority of the time. He can do this because he can deploy Woodson as a LB, Safety, or CB. Woodson literally floats around the D and goes where he needs to. He is a fantastic tackler.
I think this is the idea Phillips has with Quin.

He's not a great Corner, but he's good enough to play nickel. He's a good tackler.... undersized for a LB, but he play's bigger. & he makes a fine safety.
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They got it right, because Asomugha said, "No thanks....... "

Really?

Had they never made an attempt to get Aso, if their plan was to get Jjo & Manning/Weddle all along, then you're right.

As it is, it worked out for them. They didn't waste time playing games with Aso. We got two great FAs instead of one..... yes, they did great in those areas.

But it's not like they decided Jjo+Manning > Nnamdi Asomugha.....

Nnamdi made that decision for them.
Not quite my point, but I think the Texans FO learned something form Leigh Bodden.. Make an offer and if they don't accept, move the **** on, quickly!!! The Texans did this and scored JJ & Manning at a better price than Aso was asking!!! See YA!!!
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Love JonJo, but best free agent signing = Arian?
Veteran FA vs. UDFA. Basically two different things. This conversation is about veteran FAs.

Although we did make a higher offer to Arian Foster than most UDFAs get.
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goes to show you what an excellent pass rush can do for your CBs...
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Eagles are tied for 4th in the NFL in sacks. Ahead of both the Texans and 49ers.

For Aso its more of what they are asking him to do .... He's a press coverage guy and they are asking him to play like P-Burnt ..... lots of soft coverage which gives recievers room to force him into shifting his hips one way or the other then taking advantage of it ..... and he cant recover as his game isnt speed , its being physical.

This is another failure of the Iggles coaching staff ..... You dont ask a guy who's been the best at what he does for 3+ years to all the sudden do something totally different. (hey #80 go line up at QB).
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I don't think so. If it had been a "no matter the cost" situation, we would have matched or exceeded the Philly offer. No, I think we had a figure in mind and once Nnamdi turned it down we said, "Thank you for stopping by. You can show yourself out."
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