Penn State Child Molestation Case

[keyser]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.

Hmmm. I didn't know there was a distinction. Most of what I've seen says that police have jurisdiction in the county in which they're employed (even if employed by a city). So, a College Station police officer could not arrest (except as a citizen's arrest) in Austin, for instance. Whereas an A&M police officer would have jursidiction in most if not all of the state.

[Dan B.]

Victim One, the first known alleged victim of abuse by former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, had to leave his school in the middle of his senior year because of bullying, his counselor said Sunday.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ky_victim.html

[Double Barrel]

After reading Vinny's last link, I think the 'death penalty' is in order for that entire university. Burn that place to the ground as far as I'm concerned. Their systematic cover-up of perpetual heinous acts reveals a fundamental "rotten to the core" atmosphere about the entire institution.

It's no wonder Paterno seemingly thought that he was insulated and protected when so many people in power were willing to turn a blind eye to the raping of children. He's merely a symptom - a by-product - of a diseased system that should just be eradicated.

[GlassHalfFull]

More joy from Happy Valley

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...hatsNewsSecond

STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno clashed repeatedly with the university's former chief disciplinarian over how harshly to punish players who got into trouble, internal emails suggest, shedding new light on the school's effort to balance its reputation as a magnet for scholar-athletes with the demands of running a nationally dominant football program.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

More joy from Happy Valley

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...hatsNewsSecond

Paterno is a pathetic hypocritical pos. That football program deserves the death penalty.

In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

The confrontations came to a head in 2007, according to one former school official, when six football players were charged by police for forcing their way into a campus apartment that April and beating up several students, one of them severely. That September, following a tense meeting with Mr. Paterno over the case, she resigned her post, saying at the time she left because of "philosophical differences."

..."Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code," she wrote, "despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."

In an email to Mr. Spanier on Sept. 1, Dr. Triponey wrote of Mr. Paterno: "I do not support the way this man is running our football program. We certainly would not tolerate this behavior in our students so I struggle with how we tolerate it in our coach."

That same fall, Dr. Triponey's office suspended Dan Connor, a Penn State linebacker, who had been accused of making harassing calls to a retired assistant coach. Shortly after the suspension was handed down, Mr. Paterno ordered the player to suit up, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dr. Triponey informed the player that if he suited up for practice, he would be in violation of his suspension and could face expulsion. Mr. Connor says he recalled being suspended only for games, not practice.

The incident prompted Mr. Spanier to visit Dr. Triponey at her home. Dr. Triponey confirms he told her that Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school. She says Mr. Spanier told her that if forced to choose, he would choose her over the coach—but that he did not want to have to make that choice.

In 2007, as many as two dozen players broke into an off-campus apartment, sparking a melee that captured headlines and prompted the police to file criminal charges against six Penn State football players. "Pretty much the entire Penn State defense broke in and started swinging bar stools and stuff," says John Britt, then a third-year criminal-justice major who was beaten up in the incident. Mr. Britt says he took a beer bottle to the back of the head—and that players apparently continued to beat him after he'd lost consciousness. (Now 25, Mr. Britt serves warrants for state court in Philadelphia.)

Dr. Triponey's department began an inquiry. According to a Penn State employee's record of the proceedings, Mr. Spanier was involved in at least nine meetings with representatives of the judicial-affairs department, and Mr. Paterno was involved in at least six.

In a meeting with Messrs. Paterno and Spanier and others, Dr. Triponey complained that the players were stonewalling her and suggested that Mr. Paterno ought to compel them to be truthful, according to one person familiar with the meeting. Mr. Paterno angrily responded that his players couldn't be expected to cooperate with the school's disciplinary process because, in this case, they would have to testify against each other, making it hard to play football together, these people say.

[PsychoLove]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Paterno is a pathetic hypocritical pos. That football program deserves the death penalty.

What a piece of work............

[Vinny]

William Britt, a police sergeant in Philadelphia's homicide division, said he's not surprised by the alleged coverup. "I see how this happens (at Penn State). We lived it," Britt said.

In April 2007, as many as two dozen football players forced their way into a party at an off-campus apartment and assaulted several students at the party, including Britt's son, Jack, who was severely beaten. Six players faced criminal charges as a result of the brawl. In the end, many of the charges against the players were dismissed, and two players pleaded guilty to misdemeanor offenses.

..."The coach was literally telling his players that they couldn't cooperate with judicial affairs or they would get kicked off the team. So we were going nowhere in getting to the bottom of things," Triponey said. "I said to the coach, 'This would be so much easier if you would tell your players just to tell the truth.' He was livid, and the message to me was, 'I can't do that. They have to play for me and I can't ask them to rat on each other.' The president also chimed in and said, 'Vicky, the coach is right. We can't expect the players to tell the truth.' So that's the environment that was underlying this whole debate about who's in charge."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ine/51346682/1

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Vinny

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ine/51346682/1

I've read where McQueary is in charge of recruiting and sent Sandusky recruiting last spring .

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Vinny's link

Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school.

Wow!....just....WOW!

His entire personae was just a charade. Dude is a fake! Instead of being a standard of excellence and integrity by which to judge college coaches, he's the poster-boy for unscrupulous abuse of power.

What a pathetic individual.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by keyser

Hmmm. I didn't know there was a distinction. Most of what I've seen says that police have jurisdiction in the county in which they're employed (even if employed by a city). So, a College Station police officer could not arrest (except as a citizen's arrest) in Austin, for instance. Whereas an A&M police officer would have jursidiction in most if not all of the state.

Well, most of what you've seen and what people consider common knowledge is wrong and reinforced by television and movies. That "Get across the county line and they can't touch you" plot device is very convenient but in Texas it's just not true. Texas Peace Officer means exactly what it says. Your authority is derived from the state, your paycheck from the agency that pays you. I used to do this and that's what we were taught. I don't believe anything has changed in that regard.

[CloakNNNdagger]

BETTER than the TWINKIE DEFENSE.

Sandusky attorney launches ‘proper shower technique’ defense
Posted by John Taylor on December 15, 2011, 1:37 PM EST


With each passing day, this Jerry Sandusky rabbit hole continues to get deeper and darker. And a whole helluva lot more disturbing.

In an interview with WHTM-TV, attorney Karl Rominger, the newest member of the former Penn State defensive coordinator’s defense team, offered up an interesting — and creepy — explanation as to why Sandusky showered alone with boys as young as 10 years old he had met through his Second Mile charity.

“Some of these kids don’t have basic hygiene skills,” Rominger told the television station, presumably with a straight face throughout. “Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body.”

(In the interest of fairness, we’re going to assume Mr. Rominger is a real attorney with a degree and everything and not a well-executed plant from The Onion.)

In an apparent effort to bolster this latest defense tactic, Rominger noted during the interview that his college cross-country coach often showered with the team. Of course, Rominger was neither 10 years old nor alone when these showers took place, so it’s unclear what his college experience has to do with his client’s situation.

Sandusky has admitted in previous interviews that he showered with boys and engaged in horse-play with them while showering, although he did concede that he “shouldn’t have showered with those kids.” In the original 40-count indictment against Sandusky, a witness alleged to have seen the retired assistant sodomizing a 10-year-old boy in the shower of Penn State’s football building in 2002.

His answer to — or more specifically, the hesitation in answering — the question posed during his interview with Bob Costas of whether he was sexually attracted to young boys was the final nail in the coffin of public opinion.

Rominger seems to think Sandusky’s lack of eloquence, rather than his alleged actions, is working against his client.

“The problem is if you’re an innocent person who’s not articulate, you’re not going to come across well, but you’re still innocent,” Rominger said. “A guilty person who is very articulate might come across innocent. So it’s not a fair fight.”

Earlier this week, Sandusky waived his right to a preliminary hearing in which he likely would’ve faced at least some of his 10 alleged victims.

UPDATED 5:57 p.m. ET: If backpedaling were an Olympic event, Rominger would be the prohibitive gold-medal favorite at the 2012 London games. The following is comes from the Associated Press.

I’m no lawyer, and I didn’t sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but my legal advice to the lawyer would be to shut the hell up on all fronts. His mileage may vary, however.

Rominger, caught in a deeply pensive moment

[GlassHalfFull]

Sandusky Trial Rocked When Adopted Son Says He Was Abused Too

Jerry Sandusky's sex abuse trial ended today with an emotional plea from the prosecutor to convict the former Penn State football coach and then a bombshell revelation that his adopted son had told prosecutors he was willing to testify against Sandusky.

The jury of seven women and five men were sequestered this afternoon to begin deliberating Sandusky's guilty or innocence on 48 charges of sex absue.

While they met behind closed doors, Matt Sandusky -- who had defended the man who adopted him throughout the investigation -- issued a statement saying that he had been prepared to tell the jury that he had been sexually abused too.

"Matt Sandusky, one of Jerry Sandusky's adopted children, asked us to confirm with you... that he was prepared to testify truthfully as a Commonwealth witness," said the statement issued by lawyers Andrew Shubin and Justine Andronici.

"During the trial, Matt Sandusky contacted us and requested our advice and assistance in arranging a meeting with prosecutors to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of Jerry Sandusky's abuse. At Matt's request, we immediately arranged a meeting between him and the prosecutors and investigators," the statement said.

"This has been an extremely painful experience for Matt... There will be no further comment at this time," the lawyers said.

Sources close to the case said that Matt Sandusky, one of six children adopted by the Sanduskys, contacted prosecutors late last week to say that he was willing to testify. Prosecutors couldn't call him to the stand for direct questioning because he was not included in the charges against his father.

But they could have called Matt Sandusky to the stand as a rebuttal witness if Jerry Sandusky took the stand, sources said.

Lawyers for Jerry Sandusky said they were considering allowing him to testifyup until the last day of testimony Wednesday when the changed their mind.

The bolded answers why Sandusky didn't take the stand. I was wondering, since he was expected to.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

With each passing day, this Jerry Sandusky rabbit hole continues to get deeper and darker. And a whole helluva lot more disturbing.

No truer statement... still to this day.

[Honoring Earl 34]

I guess Dottie is going to say Matt is lying .

Either she is part of it or is in an extreme state of denial .

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

Sandusky Trial Rocked When Adopted Son Says He Was Abused Too



The bolded answers why Sandusky didn't take the stand. I was wondering, since he was expected to.

Interesting to see this morning that the prosecution didnt really want to use him as a witness since he said over and over again that Jerry did nothing to him and that the reversal would open him up to strong cross examination

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Interesting to see this morning that the prosecution didnt really want to use him as a witness since he said over and over again that Jerry did nothing to him and that the reversal would open him up to strong cross examination

I would think it's extremely hard to go relive all that .

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

I would think it's extremely hard to go relive all that .

No doubt. Not to mention the mind warp of supporting your "dad" and your "mother" all the while knowing they arent telling the truth

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

No doubt. Not to mention the mind warp of supporting your "dad" and your "mother" all the while knowing they arent telling the truth

The ex daughter in law knew what was up . She filed a restaining order on Sandusky really fast . I think it's called Stockholm Syndrome when you ptotect the guilty .

[Texan_Bill]

GUILTY!! Or so I heard... No links as of yet!

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

GUILTY!! Or so I heard... No links as of yet!

I would think so . I think the issue is how many counts but one is way to many .

I hope that they took into consideration that the Second mile was Sandusky's Neverland ranch ( whatever Jackos home was called ) designed to lure boys in .