Penn State Child Molestation Case

[chicagotexan2]

Originally Posted by axman40

Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...c1_lnk3|113449

Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by NitroGSXR

Well... I think we're getting our wires crossed somewhere. Let me try to clarify a little. The city of LaPorte PD or UH-PD (employed by the DPS) and campus police such as HISD or CISD are worlds apart. When I say campus police, I'm referring to police employed by the University or school districts.

They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.

Kaplan does color on poker and Harris is (sorry was) asociated with a race track...just saying.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.

Wow....

They look just a like...

[keyser]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap.

Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.

[PsychoLove]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.

Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.

[srrono]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...=ncaaf-wp10079

[jgl35]

Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

[GlassHalfFull]

Originally Posted by jgl35

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

Your naivete impresses me.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by jgl35

Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by NitroGSXR

I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.

He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by NitroGSXR

Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.

I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by Vinny

He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.

I did not miss that. I noticed he was from PA. My request is not to doubt him but merely to read and educate myself. Asking for a link seems to be a touchy subject these days...

As for the "security guards" without police powers comment... the confusion continues because I never said it like that neither is it what I meant. I would like to take back the "rent-a-cop" statement and change it to something a bit less broad... "police officers who answer to a non-legal entity behind closed doors". Maybe that could clarify it a little better?

As for sending your kid to a college with a limited force... millions of others do because you'd be fooling yourself if you don't think the campus police takes orders from the President of Penn State. The ryhthmic-slapping 10yr old victim would probably agree with me.

[jgl35]

Originally Posted by NitroGSXR

I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.

My link to this is walking three blocks to the police station at West Chester U., talking to people there about requirements it takes to be a campus police officer, being shown a manual on training and duties.
Being a state funded college, West Chester's requirements are the same as Penn State, only diference is size.
As far as pay, the word state should answer that question. Everyone who works at a state supported college is a state worker and is paid by the state of Pa.

Now for some history.
Up until the '60's the Pa. State Police were responsible for police coverage at state funded schools. During the Veit Nam protests, Pa. formed on campus police forces due to responce time and taking away from other duties of the State Police.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.

Look at how eye witnessess only have to report to someone corporate instead of the law, how the "law" answered directly to the University President Graham Spanier. Look at how Sandusky didn't pay a nickel of bail or bond money and is out free and probably making lots of calls intimidating his witnesses. Hell, that arrogant institution "fired" Graham Spanier as University President, but you know what? He's still has a job on campus as a Professor. The entire Institution is a friggin' conflict of interest and I stopped getting shocked at their Soviet Union style of bureaucratic leadership. I kind of see the Institution as a criminal enterprise at this point.

Even though he was fired from the presidency of Penn State on Wednesday, Graham Spanier will still be presence on campus.

At a press conference on Friday, interim Penn State president Rodney Erikson announced that Spanier will still be employed as a professor in the university's Health and Human Development department. Spanier is currently a tenured member of the faculty.

Spanier was fired from his post as university president after a grand jury report alleged that in 2002, Spanier was alerted to the fact that Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coach of the Nittany Lions was seen by an eye-witness sodomizing a child in the showers, but did nothing but bar Sandusky from campus-- a rule that was eventually disregarded. Spanier maintains he only found out about the charges last month.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1084415.html

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.

It took me 20+ minutes to write the post above. This was a hard one for me to translate into written words.

Conflict of interest. D'oh! I made it harder than it should have been. Thank you for your post. It's exactly what I was trying to convey.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by keyser

Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.

Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.

[Wolf]

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno said in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative on Friday that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that “his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.”

“As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment,” Scott Paterno said in a brief statement.

Scott Paterno said the diagnosis was made during a follow-up visit last weekend for a bronchial illness.

Earlier Friday, The Citizens Voice of Wilkes-Barre reported that Paterno had been seen Wednesday visiting the Mount Nittany Medical Center and was treated for an undisclosed ailment and released.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...nstate-paterno

[Vinny]

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – Penn State University received almost $250,000 for a series of sleepover camps in 2008 and 2009 run by the charity group founded by Jerry Sandusky - years after ex-athletic director Tim Curley imposed an “unenforceable” ban on the accused child molester from entering the school’s sports facilities and main campus.

Financial records obtained by FoxNews.com show $124,587 was given to Penn State by The Second Mile in 2009. The year before, in 2008, the university received $119,592 from The Second Mile. The money is listed under “food and lodging” in charity records, and officials said the payments were made on a series of week-long sleepover camps.

Penn State apparently took money for the camps months after the mother of a high school freshman contacted authorities in the spring of 2008 saying her son had been abused by Sandusky. That allegation kick-started the grand jury investigation that earlier this month indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of child sex abuse charges.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/19...#ixzz1eBp7f5rN