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A Penn State Attorney Who Reviewed The 1998 Police Report Against Jerry Sandusky Also Represented The Second Mile
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In 1998, Victim No. 6 told his mother he had showered with Jerry Sandusky. She called Penn State University police, who interviewed both the boy and Sandusky and prepared a report containing details of inappropriate conduct. PSU's outside general counsel, Wendell Courtney, reviewed that police report on behalf of the school before submitting it to the Centre Country District Attorney. Courtney, who knew what Jerry Sandusky was alleged to have done—and admitted to—continued to represent The Second Mile for another 13 years.
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"It's clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident," said Nils Fredericksen, a spokesman for the AG. "The grand jury findings are based on evidence and testimony. There's no dispute he had interaction with both [Penn State and The Second Mile]."
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There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995

The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.

The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.

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This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.
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This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.
He did not call the police. This after another incident in 1998, 2000 and 2002.
Where was his integrity and honor?
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This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.
Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?
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This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.
Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.
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Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?
All I have read is the grand jury report. Could you point me to a link of the timeline?
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I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
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This is just one of those that you wish there were a rewind button and start from square one.
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I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
The knife fight wasn't going to bring massive shame to the University. This was, so he went to the mob boss, er I mean Paterno. Corporatism...patriotism...partisanism... protecting the greater image, protecting the brand...Worshiping false idols. There is a bully atmosphere to those who speak out negatively against the "cause" or brand in this kind of atmosphere so you go to the decision maker. Its akin to being brainwashed. I see it here in blind partisan bickering where one perpetually excuses the behavior of their side as if it was a sign of weakness to speak the truth. In these cultures some stop thinking for oneself and lets their leaders, bosses, Governments, football coaches...whomever, think for you since being a "loose cannon" tends to be frowned upon. I think McQuery took care of his own self interest once he told Paterno and was rewarded with his promotion from Graduate assistant to position coach. quid pro quo stuff.

Bottom line I think it falls under the category of worshiping false idols and being afraid to think for yourself. He was lawyered up with some advice to keep it under his hat - then he was rewarded nicely. It's turned into an Twilight Zone episode for him though, thankfully.
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Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.
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I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?
What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
with this being said i believe it was already common knowledge on the coaching staff that Sandusky was a pedifile thats why he didnt report Sandusky to police instead he just went to JoePa. Barry Switzer said this below:

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior.

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret. Everyone on that had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time,” Switzer said in an interview with The Oklahoman newspaper.

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior. (AP Photo)Switzer added that others outside the Penn State
program had to have known as well.

“You think that a 13-year assistant ... hasn’t told someone else? His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew,” Switzer said.

Switzer said the tragedy of the situation was that no one stepped up to put a stop to Sandusky.

“There are more people culpable
than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director. There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could’ve done something about this, too’ that didn’t come forward. That’s the tragedy of it,” he said.

Switzer said that the university's trustees did the right thing by firing by Paterno on Wednesday night, but added that "there are no winners here.”
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A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

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1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.
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A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

* * *

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.
I said I was going to stay away because it was giving me acid reflux . This is incredible and it's going to get ugly because there had to be folks protecting him .

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I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.
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I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.
Make a deal with Sandusky and then tell him the deal was he gets to be roommates with Hannibal Lecter and Jeffery Dahmer at Thanksgiving .
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you got to read this

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/prospe...-in-2011-29898

McQueary must have been paid off or just moved up in the program for keeping quiet.

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After reading what Grams posted, I think I want to vomit, and I definitely want to cry. I just don't know what else to say.
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