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Old 11-10-2011   #21
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We might not see the old Demeco until next year. A ruptured Achilles is one of the last injuries you ever want to get, especially if you are a football player.

Chances are he won't live up to his contract this year. But we all knew that when he went down last year.

If he were healthy, we'd probably never go to our "Dime package"
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I've always assumed he wouldn't be all the way back from his injury till next season. I've seen him play pretty well at times this year.
Could've ended the thread pretty much right here.
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I hate to be the guy who points it out, but is DeMeco Ryans overpaid? He doesn't play in dime packages, and I don't even see him on the field much anymore. He's not as fast or explosive as he once was, yet he's being paid like a superstar and not producing like one.

Through 9 , he only has 21 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 2 pass defensed.
you do realize that it was demeco who forced the fumble on the browns first drive last week. How bout start this thread on a week when he is virtually ineffective, but even then the answer will be the same. Demeco is a top LB and is not overpaid.
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I thought Demeco has been coming along as of late. If I'm correct he had a great game vs. Tennessee and caused a fumble against Cleveland. He also had a decent game vs. Miami.
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I dont dispute that Cak .... but thats a lot of cap space tied up in a guy who is only on the field in the base defense.

If he's not healthy and isnt contributing at a level comparable to his pay do you continue to pay him or do you cut your losses and sign a FA at a reasonable cost or even a draft pick which would be making considerably less ?

If he's healthy there is no question you keep him .... but thats not the case here.
Thing is I think his being pulled is mainly because of his elbow injury rather than his achilles. Everyone is focused on the leg but he is moving very well in that regard. I think the elbow and that tremendous brace are limiting him on pass defense. Unless I misunderstood CnD that should be a full recovery issue in the off-season.
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How can so many of you guys sound so certain he'll get back to his old self?? Don't get me wrong, I hope he does but it's no where even close to a guarantee.
I don't think anyone is "certain" that he will return to 100%. What most people are questioning is that some here are talking like "he doesn't fit the system" "he's playing a limited role" "Brian Cushing is in on nickel & dime packages"

They totally ignore the fact that he tore his Achilles last year & isn't expected to be close to his old form till late in the season if not early next season, & they completely ignore the fact that he has a big ass brace on his arm.

It's a lot like saying, "Andre hasn't played a single snap in the last 5 games. CnD says he'll most likely never return to 100%, I can understand if he winds up a cap casualty in the offseason."

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Luckily he shown he can still play well enough even when not completely healthy. He is one of my favorite players, I hope he does recover fully.
As he gets into better & better health, I doubt we'll see any dime packages at all. Demeco & Brian will be on the field 100% of the time. Only this time, if we lose our MIke, we'll be better prepared than we were last year.
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Could've ended the thread pretty much right here.
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After reading all the comments, it seems that it would be helpful to refresh memories. I will only briefly summarize the pertinent points (specific to Demeco) of the analysis of NFL players that I reviewed previously for Stephanie's blog in the Chronicle.



*1/3 of the players were NEVER able to return to the NFL

*Defensively, linebackers experienced the greatest drop in power ratings (DEFENSIVE POWER RATING calculated as a total of TACKLES + INTERCEPTIONS), followed by cornerbacks, defensive tackles, and defensive ends. The average decrease was 95% (p=0.09), 87% (p=0.03), 64% (p=0.01), and 55% (p=0.03), respectively. In other words, LBs were the players (both offensive and defensive) that had the most drop off of all players to return.

*Their 1st season post injury tended to be their BEST performing season post injury.......but significantly down from the 3 years prior to injury. Each subsequent post injury season saw a DECREASE (not an increase)in performance from the prior season as measured up to 3 years post injury.



As I explained at the time that I presented the data, there were definite limitations to the study. But even if you felt justified in halving the post injury power rating losses due to these limitations, the numbers would still be quite discouraging.

According to the available data, absent Demeco's elbow injury, this season could have been Demeco's best chance to show his most productive post injury season. There is always that "miraculous" exceptional case that occurs out there, and that is true.......but realistically the odds are not with Demeco.
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A slightly less productive Ryans is still better than most other second options we could match with Cushing. However, your point isn't about if he should be on the team, but more about his contract so I can see what you mean. However, he still has his instincts and we have to sit back and see if his physicality will come back with time as well to go along with that.
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After reading all the comments, it seems that it would be helpful to refresh memories. I will only briefly summarize the pertinent points (specific to Demeco) of the analysis of NFL players that I reviewed previously for Stephanie's blog in the Chronicle.



*1/3 of the players were NEVER able to return to the NFL

*Defensively, linebackers experienced the greatest drop in power ratings (DEFENSIVE POWER RATING calculated as a total of TACKLES + INTERCEPTIONS), followed by cornerbacks, defensive tackles, and defensive ends. The average decrease was 95% (p=0.09), 87% (p=0.03), 64% (p=0.01), and 55% (p=0.03), respectively. In other words, LBs were the players (both offensive and defensive) that had the most drop off of all players to return.

*Their 1st season post injury tended to be their BEST performing season post injury.......but significantly down from the 3 years prior to injury. Each subsequent post injury season saw a DECREASE (not an increase)in performance from the prior season as measured up to 3 years post injury.



As I explained at the time that I presented the data, there were definite limitations to the study. But even if you felt justified in halving the post injury power rating losses due to these limitations, the numbers would still be quite discouraging.

According to the available data, absent Demeco's elbow injury, this season could have been Demeco's best chance to show his most productive post injury season. There is always that "miraculous" exceptional case that occurs out there, and that is true.......but realistically the odds are not with Demeco.
Its sad to read that but at least with Demeco's contract situation the Texans will likely have to give him plenty of time to show what he can be either way.

Also, there is chance there to allow Sharpton to develop further AND draft his eventual replacement in there so this shouldn't become too big a problem for the team down the line.

That said I've seen seperate comments highlighting that both Demeco's numbers appear low this season, and that he's only been in on as little as 17 snaps a game, which makes those numbers look a lot better all of a sudden.
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I hate to be the guy who points it out, but is DeMeco Ryans overpaid? He doesn't play in dime packages, and I don't even see him on the field much anymore. He's not as fast or explosive as he once was, yet he's being paid like a superstar and not producing like one.

Through 9 games, he only has 21 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 2 pass defensed.
I think you got your answer, but I like the thread in that it's nice to see an overwhelming vote of support for DeMeco by the TexansTalk'ers.
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Yes he is overpaid.

I like demeco, but I think we could get similar production for a cheaper price.

If the info cloak posted holds true then he will be even more overpaid than he already is.

It sucks terribly, but it is what it is.
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Yes he is overpaid.

I like demeco, but I think we could get similar production for a cheaper price.

If the info cloak posted holds true then he will be even more overpaid than he already is.

It sucks terribly, but it is what it is.
Yep, Andre is overpaid as well. I think we can get production similar to what he's put up this year, at a lot lower cost.

If the info Cloak posted holds true, then he'll be even more overpaid than he already is.

It sucks... terribly, but it is what it is.
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After reading all the comments, it seems that it would be helpful to refresh memories. I will only briefly summarize the pertinent points (specific to Demeco) of the analysis of NFL players that I reviewed previously for Stephanie's blog in the Chronicle.



*1/3 of the players were NEVER able to return to the NFL

*Defensively, linebackers experienced the greatest drop in power ratings (DEFENSIVE POWER RATING calculated as a total of TACKLES + INTERCEPTIONS), followed by cornerbacks, defensive tackles, and defensive ends. The average decrease was 95% (p=0.09), 87% (p=0.03), 64% (p=0.01), and 55% (p=0.03), respectively. In other words, LBs were the players (both offensive and defensive) that had the most drop off of all players to return.

*Their 1st season post injury tended to be their BEST performing season post injury.......but significantly down from the 3 years prior to injury. Each subsequent post injury season saw a DECREASE (not an increase)in performance from the prior season as measured up to 3 years post injury.



As I explained at the time that I presented the data, there were definite limitations to the study. But even if you felt justified in halving the post injury power rating losses due to these limitations, the numbers would still be quite discouraging.

According to the available data, absent Demeco's elbow injury, this season could have been Demeco's best chance to show his most productive post injury season. There is always that "miraculous" exceptional case that occurs out there, and that is true.......but realistically the odds are not with Demeco.
So, maybe I was correct in selecting an ILB in my mock draft first round.
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Injuries have been a part of why he has been limited in PT. The other variable is Cushing playing out of his ****ing mind.
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After reading all the comments, it seems that it would be helpful to refresh memories. I will only briefly summarize the pertinent points (specific to Demeco) of the analysis of NFL players that I reviewed previously for Stephanie's blog in the Chronicle.



*1/3 of the players were NEVER able to return to the NFL

*Defensively, linebackers experienced the greatest drop in power ratings (DEFENSIVE POWER RATING calculated as a total of TACKLES + INTERCEPTIONS), followed by cornerbacks, defensive tackles, and defensive ends. The average decrease was 95% (p=0.09), 87% (p=0.03), 64% (p=0.01), and 55% (p=0.03), respectively. In other words, LBs were the players (both offensive and defensive) that had the most drop off of all players to return.

*Their 1st season post injury tended to be their BEST performing season post injury.......but significantly down from the 3 years prior to injury. Each subsequent post injury season saw a DECREASE (not an increase)in performance from the prior season as measured up to 3 years post injury.



As I explained at the time that I presented the data, there were definite limitations to the study. But even if you felt justified in halving the post injury power rating losses due to these limitations, the numbers would still be quite discouraging.

According to the available data, absent Demeco's elbow injury, this season could have been Demeco's best chance to show his most productive post injury season. There is always that "miraculous" exceptional case that occurs out there, and that is true.......but realistically the odds are not with Demeco.

I appreciate your input. Thanks. Unfortunately I think the Texans will be like most posters here burying their heads in the sand and hoping that Demeco is the 1 in 100 player that makes a full recovery to pre-injury level. Yes Demeco is overpaid for his current level of production. I don't know how many years it will take to pay him the guaranteed portion of his contract but I'll bet the Texans will bring him back next year.
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Nothing like toughing out multiple injuries and then having people question your salary over it.

Rough. I think the most overpaid player on the team is probably Shiloh Keo.
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Can anyone truly say he is a liability out there? He still reads the game very well and helps his teammates read the game as well. (remember Brooks Reed is a rookie and Barwin doesn't exactly have a whole lot of game experience either).

His injury has hampered him no doubt, but it helps that we are in a 3-4 and he doesn't exactly need to be everywhere on the pitch. Demeco will only get better (and has been if you watch some game film) as the season progresses. I look forward to seeing Cushing and Demeco being the center of the defense for a few more years.


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I have heard a couple of people still talking that Demeco isn't looking good while I believe next year we may see a Demeco that is more dominant because of his injury this year and his achilles injury last year. What do you guys think? Is he still the starter or should he be replaced? For the record, I say we keep him.
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to me i see him getting better after every game, look at today how he seperated Shockey from the ball, the boy is still the starter.
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