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The good thing about winning games is that the team does well. The bad part, they drop further and further away from the players I want them to draft! Another W in the column and the Texans currently sit at the 26th pick.

1. In the past I have gone back and forth between DT Ta’amu and OG DeCastro. I finally had a chance to watch the two of them go at it via tape. They only had limited plays against each other, but each time they faced each other, DeCastro OWNED Ta’amu. DeCastro completely neutralized Ta’amu in a way I did not expect. DeCastro completely took Ta'amu out of the game. That tells me, that DeCastro is gonna go a lot higher than people think. In recent drafts quality interior lineman have gone high like the Pounceys at 18 and 15, and Mack at 21. I simply don't see DeCastro availlable in the mid to late 20's where the Texans (hopefully) pick. Currently I have DeCastro going to Philly at 15. Ta'amu, is not a slouch, but I have him going to the Jets at 20. So, both of them are gone and not options. So where do i go?

I have a feeling this may be an unpopular choice, and I get that. But, I also think it’s the right choice. He is a versatile DL for the Wade system. He could be a big 3-4 DE in the rotation with Watt and Smith or he could be a 3-4 NT in the rotation with Mitchell and Cody. He frequently fights off double teams and pushes forward to apply pressure. He has a large wingspan and covers a lot of space in the run game, yet is not a tub of unmovable goo. It may not be popular, but its my pick.

Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State

2. If you have read any of my mocks this year, you know EXACTLY what I think of the Brisel. It’s nothing personal, I just see him struggling too much for my taste. In a run dominated scheme where the pass is built off the running game, we need VERY good guards to keep Schaub clean. I think we need a guy who can blast holes in the opposing DL, make those key blocks on the second level, and be a strong pass blocker. I think we need to go to OL University to get him. Grab this guy and the offense immediately improves. I think he has the chops to start day 1.

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

3. All positions in the NFL require a certain set of skills. For example, a WR MUST have good hands and be able to run routes. That’s the basics. To be a really good WR though, you need to have a way to separate from your defender. That can be with speed or with crafty moves. Walter is a good WR, but not really good because he lacks this ability to separate. He is a nice big target that would work a lot better as a #3 over the middle receiver or red zone target. Instead I use this pick to get a guy with a TON of upside. He is DOMINATING the Mid America and shredded the Connecticut and Illinois Defenses. He is exactly what we need as a #2 WR and I am proud to select him.

Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan

4. The 4th round is time for value. I take a guy who faced lesser competition but stood out very positively. He has size, speed, hands, tackling ability, and is a true ball hawk. He has the versatility to play any DB position. He immediately starts at ST and works on which DB position is best suited for him and the team. He is my super sleeper…

Trumaine Johnson, DB/ST, Montana

5. The next pick is more depth. We need someone who can challenge Myers or at least provide some depth. Myers plays well against lighter athletic 4-3 lineman, but struggles with the big boy 3-4 NTs. Part of that is because Myers only weighs 290lbs. Asking a 290 lber to block someone who is 30-40lbs more is too much. So, how about draft someone who is a bit bigger, has good run blocking skills and solid pass blocking. Plus, my choice has versatility as a OG/C so he brings depth to multiple spots on the Oline. He has NFL bloodlines, as his brother is a running back in Minnesota. That’s right, cue up the Wayne’s World references….

Garth Gerhart, C/G, Arizona State

6. Vickers has been better, but if we don’t go with a battering ram, I’d rather have a more athetic FB. I like good bloodlines and his dad was the FB that blocked for some guy named Walter, in Chicago. In addition to being a solid blocker, he can also run the ball in short yardage, and sneak out of the backfield to catch passes.

Joe Suhey, FB, Penn State

7. With the 7th pick, I think its important to go after a known quantity. A wiley veteran that can teach the youngsters some tricks of the trade while still being able to make a big 3rd down catch is important. Thus, I make the following selection

Derrick Mason-WR
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1. Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State
I like.... sort of. I like the long arms & all that, but one of the traits I'd love to see in our possible NT replacement is "explosion" off the ball.
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2. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
I like the position... sort of. I agree with your assessment of Brisiel, however I believe Wade is the bigger issue. At least Brisiel is consistent. & we can deal with below avg play as long as it is consistent.

Wade on the other hand, I don't know how he'll play from week to week & it scares me. Can't scheme around inconsistency.

If this guy can play the left side, I'm all for it.
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3. Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
I like a developmental WR, but I hope we do something in the off-season that can be a stop gap (if Mason isn't) in the meantime.
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4. Trumaine Johnson, DB/ST, Montana
Since you identified this as a value pick, I'm okay with it.
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5. Garth Gerhart, C/G, Arizona State
I do not agree with your assessment of Myers. I know others on the board say the same thing. But if you see Myers one-on-one with a big DT, something went wrong. He usually does a good job against those big NTs, it's the big freakishly fast guys that he has trouble with. They get up in his kitchen before he's gets his position.

Didn't we draft somebody just for this last season? Shelly something or other? [/quote]
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The good thing about winning games is that the team does well. The bad part, they drop further and further away from the players I want them to draft! Another W in the column and the Texans currently sit at the 26th pick.

1. In the past I have gone back and forth between DT Ta’amu and OG DeCastro. I finally had a chance to watch the two of them go at it via tape. They only had limited plays against each other, but each time they faced each other, DeCastro OWNED Ta’amu. DeCastro completely neutralized Ta’amu in a way I did not expect. DeCastro completely took Ta'amu out of the game. That tells me, that DeCastro is gonna go a lot higher than people think. In recent drafts quality interior lineman have gone high like the Pounceys at 18 and 15, and Mack at 21. I simply don't see DeCastro availlable in the mid to late 20's where the Texans (hopefully) pick. Currently I have DeCastro going to Philly at 15. Ta'amu, is not a slouch, but I have him going to the Jets at 20. So, both of them are gone and not options. So where do i go?

I have a feeling this may be an unpopular choice, and I get that. But, I also think it’s the right choice. He is a versatile DL for the Wade system. He could be a big 3-4 DE in the rotation with Watt and Smith or he could be a 3-4 NT in the rotation with Mitchell and Cody. He frequently fights off double teams and pushes forward to apply pressure. He has a large wingspan and covers a lot of space in the run game, yet is not a tub of unmovable goo. It may not be popular, but its my pick.

Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State

2. If you have read any of my mocks this year, you know EXACTLY what I think of the Brisel. It’s nothing personal, I just see him struggling too much for my taste. In a run dominated scheme where the pass is built off the running game, we need VERY good guards to keep Schaub clean. I think we need a guy who can blast holes in the opposing DL, make those key blocks on the second level, and be a strong pass blocker. I think we need to go to OL University to get him. Grab this guy and the offense immediately improves. I think he has the chops to start day 1.

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

3. All positions in the NFL require a certain set of skills. For example, a WR MUST have good hands and be able to run routes. That’s the basics. To be a really good WR though, you need to have a way to separate from your defender. That can be with speed or with crafty moves. Walter is a good WR, but not really good because he lacks this ability to separate. He is a nice big target that would work a lot better as a #3 over the middle receiver or red zone target. Instead I use this pick to get a guy with a TON of upside. He is DOMINATING the Mid America and shredded the Connecticut and Illinois Defenses. He is exactly what we need as a #2 WR and I am proud to select him.

Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan

4. The 4th round is time for value. I take a guy who faced lesser competition but stood out very positively. He has size, speed, hands, tackling ability, and is a true ball hawk. He has the versatility to play any DB position. He immediately starts at ST and works on which DB position is best suited for him and the team. He is my super sleeper…

Trumaine Johnson, DB/ST, Montana

5. The next pick is more depth. We need someone who can challenge Myers or at least provide some depth. Myers plays well against lighter athletic 4-3 lineman, but struggles with the big boy 3-4 NTs. Part of that is because Myers only weighs 290lbs. Asking a 290 lber to block someone who is 30-40lbs more is too much. So, how about draft someone who is a bit bigger, has good run blocking skills and solid pass blocking. Plus, my choice has versatility as a OG/C so he brings depth to multiple spots on the Oline. He has NFL bloodlines, as his brother is a running back in Minnesota. That’s right, cue up the Wayne’s World references….

Garth Gerhart, C/G, Arizona State

6. Vickers has been better, but if we don’t go with a battering ram, I’d rather have a more athetic FB. I like good bloodlines and his dad was the FB that blocked for some guy named Walter, in Chicago. In addition to being a solid blocker, he can also run the ball in short yardage, and sneak out of the backfield to catch passes.

Joe Suhey, FB, Penn State

7. With the 7th pick, I think its important to go after a known quantity. A wiley veteran that can teach the youngsters some tricks of the trade while still being able to make a big 3rd down catch is important. Thus, I make the following selection

Derrick Mason-WR
damn good job, really like how you break it down & explain each pick.

Your absoultely right as Texans win it kinda whittles down high end options or immediate starter material but this should still be the focus. I'm thinking a #2 WR would be the easy choice to upgrade over any position. Like OL pick in 2nd. looking ILB in 3rd. CB/FS is what TJ is, excellent NFL body. rmartin65 will like Gerhart pick. I'm thinking now Suhey goes undrafted so he would be a priority undrafted free agent signing.
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Going two O-Lineman in my opinion is a lot. We had a few injuries this year in that department and we'll be getting them back, players like studdard, shelley smith and i think there is another one as well. thats a lot of depth there.
I can understand Zeitler in the 2nd but to grab another seems like overkill.

Also grabbing White as a development WR, i think once we get LeStar Jean back he'll b our number 5 receiver. Unless you go early for a WR and hope he wins the number 2 I'm not sure about drafting one for development.

Overall i like the draft, it was just round 3 and 5 i was somewhat unsure about.
The number 1 pick is different but i like it, definitely would fit in well.
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Going two O-Lineman in my opinion is a lot. We had a few injuries this year in that department and we'll be getting them back, players like studdard, shelley smith and i think there is another one as well. thats a lot of depth there.
I can understand Zeitler in the 2nd but to grab another seems like overkill.

Also grabbing White as a development WR, i think once we get LeStar Jean back he'll b our number 5 receiver. Unless you go early for a WR and hope he wins the number 2 I'm not sure about drafting one for development.

Overall i like the draft, it was just round 3 and 5 i was somewhat unsure about.
The number 1 pick is different but i like it, definitely would fit in well.
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I do not agree with your assessment of Myers. I know others on the board say the same thing. But if you see Myers one-on-one with a big DT, something went wrong. He usually does a good job against those big NTs, it's the big freakishly fast guys that he has trouble with. They get up in his kitchen before he's gets his position.

Didn't we draft somebody just for this last season? Shelly something or other?
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Shelley Smith is a 6'3" 300# Guard from Colorado State (where else) that is on IR this year. The Texans drafted him in 2010 in the 6th, I think. I don't think he was meant to replace Myers.
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I like.... sort of. I like the long arms & all that, but one of the traits I'd love to see in our possible NT replacement is "explosion" off the ball.

I like the position... sort of. I agree with your assessment of Brisiel, however I believe Wade is the bigger issue. At least Brisiel is consistent. & we can deal with below avg play as long as it is consistent.

Wade on the other hand, I don't know how he'll play from week to week & it scares me. Can't scheme around inconsistency.

If this guy can play the left side, I'm all for it.

I like a developmental WR, but I hope we do something in the off-season that can be a stop gap (if Mason isn't) in the meantime.

Since you identified this as a value pick, I'm okay with it.

I do not agree with your assessment of Myers. I know others on the board say the same thing. But if you see Myers one-on-one with a big DT, something went wrong. He usually does a good job against those big NTs, it's the big freakishly fast guys that he has trouble with. They get up in his kitchen before he's gets his position.

Didn't we draft somebody just for this last season? Shelly something or other?
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1. Still gives a key rotational player along three DL positions. What's great about him, in my mind, is his size. Watt is 6'5 290 and Smith is 6'4 280. Still is 6'5 311. Last year he fought through near constant double teams and still managed 10 tackles for loss and 4 sacks. This guy has too many good things to ignore.

2. Zeitler can play either LG or RG. He is probably the #3 OG overall (behind DeCastro and Osemele).

3. I imagine the Texans will look for a WR in the offseason. But getting one of those good WRs cost money. Drafting Jordan White would be brilliant. He has good hands, good route running, and good speed. He can be groomed into an excellent #2 WR.

4. I don't know if Trumaine will be here in the 4th, but he has all the physical tools to be a very dominant DB. He has good size, sped, and hands. The knock on him is level of competition. The great thing about him is that if you give him a little time to adjust to the NFL speed, you may have a very special player.

5. Shelly Smith is an OG. Gerhart is a 305lb Center/OG combo player. He is more compact and stronger plus gives two positions depth rather than 1. Having 2 depth positions in 1 player means you can have an extra player at a key position.
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damn good job, really like how you break it down & explain each pick.

Your absoultely right as Texans win it kinda whittles down high end options or immediate starter material but this should still be the focus. I'm thinking a #2 WR would be the easy choice to upgrade over any position. Like OL pick in 2nd. looking ILB in 3rd. CB/FS is what TJ is, excellent NFL body. rmartin65 will like Gerhart pick. I'm thinking now Suhey goes undrafted so he would be a priority undrafted free agent signing.
Thanks man! I wanted to spend a little time giving my rationale this time around rather than just stating names. I think it helps yall to understand my thinking and reasoning. I wanted an ILB but I couldn't quite find a place to draft one in this mock. I agree with you on TJ, and I fear he may not last until the 4th, may have to take him in the 3rd if we want him.

I am on the fence about Suhey. I know a lot of teams don't use FBs, but I think they will make a comeback. We have seen the value of a FB like Leach was to Htown as well as Baltimore. We have seen the emergence of other teams that want to play smash mouth football who do not have an adequate FB, like SF. Think how much more effective their offense would be if they had a quality FB. How about Oakland, Minnesota, or even Denver. All of these teams have great run attacks that are being held back by a quality FB.
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Going two O-Lineman in my opinion is a lot. We had a few injuries this year in that department and we'll be getting them back, players like studdard, shelley smith and i think there is another one as well. thats a lot of depth there.
I can understand Zeitler in the 2nd but to grab another seems like overkill.

Also grabbing White as a development WR, i think once we get LeStar Jean back he'll b our number 5 receiver. Unless you go early for a WR and hope he wins the number 2 I'm not sure about drafting one for development.

Overall i like the draft, it was just round 3 and 5 i was somewhat unsure about.
The number 1 pick is different but i like it, definitely would fit in well.
I don't value a player like Studdard. In his time last year I was less than impressed with his play. He tries hard and I like that, but his ability just isn't there. Quality of play is a measurement of effort and ability. All the effort in the world won't cover up a lack of ability.

LeStar Jean did great in camp but who knows how he does going forward. I would rather have an extra player there and use them to push each other along. Plus, how great would it be if they both became good players? Can you imagine sending AJ, Star, White, Walter/JJ, and Daniels down the field?! Who would the D cover?
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The good thing about winning games is that the team does well. The bad part, they drop further and further away from the players I want them to draft! Another W in the column and the Texans currently sit at the 26th pick.

1. In the past I have gone back and forth between DT Ta’amu and OG DeCastro. I finally had a chance to watch the two of them go at it via tape. They only had limited plays against each other, but each time they faced each other, DeCastro OWNED Ta’amu. DeCastro completely neutralized Ta’amu in a way I did not expect. DeCastro completely took Ta'amu out of the game. That tells me, that DeCastro is gonna go a lot higher than people think. In recent drafts quality interior lineman have gone high like the Pounceys at 18 and 15, and Mack at 21. I simply don't see DeCastro availlable in the mid to late 20's where the Texans (hopefully) pick. Currently I have DeCastro going to Philly at 15. Ta'amu, is not a slouch, but I have him going to the Jets at 20. So, both of them are gone and not options. So where do i go?

I have a feeling this may be an unpopular choice, and I get that. But, I also think it’s the right choice. He is a versatile DL for the Wade system. He could be a big 3-4 DE in the rotation with Watt and Smith or he could be a 3-4 NT in the rotation with Mitchell and Cody. He frequently fights off double teams and pushes forward to apply pressure. He has a large wingspan and covers a lot of space in the run game, yet is not a tub of unmovable goo. It may not be popular, but its my pick.

Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State

2. If you have read any of my mocks this year, you know EXACTLY what I think of the Brisel. It’s nothing personal, I just see him struggling too much for my taste. In a run dominated scheme where the pass is built off the running game, we need VERY good guards to keep Schaub clean. I think we need a guy who can blast holes in the opposing DL, make those key blocks on the second level, and be a strong pass blocker. I think we need to go to OL University to get him. Grab this guy and the offense immediately improves. I think he has the chops to start day 1.

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

3. All positions in the NFL require a certain set of skills. For example, a WR MUST have good hands and be able to run routes. That’s the basics. To be a really good WR though, you need to have a way to separate from your defender. That can be with speed or with crafty moves. Walter is a good WR, but not really good because he lacks this ability to separate. He is a nice big target that would work a lot better as a #3 over the middle receiver or red zone target. Instead I use this pick to get a guy with a TON of upside. He is DOMINATING the Mid America and shredded the Connecticut and Illinois Defenses. He is exactly what we need as a #2 WR and I am proud to select him.

Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan

4. The 4th round is time for value. I take a guy who faced lesser competition but stood out very positively. He has size, speed, hands, tackling ability, and is a true ball hawk. He has the versatility to play any DB position. He immediately starts at ST and works on which DB position is best suited for him and the team. He is my super sleeper…

Trumaine Johnson, DB/ST, Montana

5. The next pick is more depth. We need someone who can challenge Myers or at least provide some depth. Myers plays well against lighter athletic 4-3 lineman, but struggles with the big boy 3-4 NTs. Part of that is because Myers only weighs 290lbs. Asking a 290 lber to block someone who is 30-40lbs more is too much. So, how about draft someone who is a bit bigger, has good run blocking skills and solid pass blocking. Plus, my choice has versatility as a OG/C so he brings depth to multiple spots on the Oline. He has NFL bloodlines, as his brother is a running back in Minnesota. That’s right, cue up the Wayne’s World references….

Garth Gerhart, C/G, Arizona State

6. Vickers has been better, but if we don’t go with a battering ram, I’d rather have a more athetic FB. I like good bloodlines and his dad was the FB that blocked for some guy named Walter, in Chicago. In addition to being a solid blocker, he can also run the ball in short yardage, and sneak out of the backfield to catch passes.

Joe Suhey, FB, Penn State

7. With the 7th pick, I think its important to go after a known quantity. A wiley veteran that can teach the youngsters some tricks of the trade while still being able to make a big 3rd down catch is important. Thus, I make the following selection

Derrick Mason-WR
I also am losing my desire for Ta'Amu, but it is a weak year for DTs. I have Still rated top of 3rd round.

Interesting that Todd McShay has recently moved Dontari Poe up to #28. Th guy is unbelievably strong but I have been unable to watch him play and almost nothing on him via internet.

I really like the way you are presenting your ideas & why you made selections. A suggestion would be to give vitals like speed/size and weights.
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I don't value a player like Studdard. In his time last year I was less than impressed with his play. He tries hard and I like that, but his ability just isn't there. Quality of play is a measurement of effort and ability. All the effort in the world won't cover up a lack of ability.

LeStar Jean did great in camp but who knows how he does going forward. I would rather have an extra player there and use them to push each other along. Plus, how great would it be if they both became good players? Can you imagine sending AJ, Star, White, Walter/JJ, and Daniels down the field?! Who would the D cover?
......and suddenly I'm on board!!!!
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