Penn State Child Molestation Case

[Runner]

Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by Runner

Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

Great post, I meant to put up something similiar yesterday.

My wife and took this as a reminder to set our 6 year old down and remind her that no one no matter who they are, should not be touching her inappropriately and to report these actions if they occur no matter what the person might say or threaten.

Everyone knows about stranger danger, they even teach it to kids at school, but as you said often times you read about people that are not strangers at all committing these acts.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by Runner

Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

Exactly. My daughter is only 5, so she probably is oblivious to all this right now. But I may just have a talk with her next weekend when I have her.

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

Exactly. My daughter is only 5, so she probably is oblivious to all this right now. But I may just have a talk with her next weekend when I have her.

I think we first told our 6 year old when she was 4 and do it about once a year. The first thing we did was ask her "who is allowed to touch you in your private parts". I smiled so big when she got the answer perfect, she knew off the top of her head.

Can't be too careful and IMHO 5 years old is old enough to understand. My oldest daughter is 14 so this has been drummed in her head for years. I have 16 month old that will get the same lesson as soon as I know she understands.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan

I think we first told our 6 year old when she was 4 and do it about once a year. The first thing we did was ask her "who is allowed to touch you in your private parts". I smiled so big when she got the answer perfect, she knew off the top of her head.

Can't be too careful and IMHO 5 years old is old enough to understand. My oldest daughter is 14 so this has been drummed in her head for years. I have 16 month old that will get the same lesson as soon as I know she understands.

Yeah, I'm sure she's old enough for the talk, she's a damn smart kid, I just haven't had it with her yet. The oblivious thing was more about the news as I have no idea whether or not her mom and step dad are watching and talking about this or what as far as the PSU case.

But yeah, this case made me decide it's time to have the talk with her.

[srrono]

Tony Dungys thoughts


Dungy's Diary

Accountability and Penn State

I have, like most football fans, been following the events as they have unfolded at Penn State regarding Coach Joe Paterno and the football program. Having known Coach Paterno and Jerry Sandusky, the coach who has been charged in the allegations, I am shocked at what has been alleged to have taken place. I have always had the utmost respect for Coach Paterno and the way things have been run at Penn State. I have played with, and coached, many players from there and they all have nothing but incredible things to say about him.

That being said, though, I believe the University had no other choice in this matter than to accept his resignation or force him to step down. I think they made the right move in ousting the President of the University as well. When something of this magnitude happens I think everyone in a leadership position is responsible. Whether it is directly your fault or not, it has taken place under your watch and there is no way that public confidence could ever be regained without a change in leadership.

I also think this is a reminder to all of us that we have a responsibility to hold each other accountable, no matter what. It doesn’t matter if it is a subordinate, a co-worker or your boss. If something is taking place that is wrong, we have to address it and make sure action is taken. I’m sure there are a lot of people at Penn State who are saying in hindsight, ”I wish I had said something–I wish I had done something.” When it involves something as serious as child abuse, we can’t afford to assume that someone else will handle it. We have to act. It’s just sad that it appears so many children were hurt as we were learning this lesson.

http://www.allprodad.com/dungy/2011/...nd-penn-state/

[Dutchrudder]

Students rioting over Jo Pa's firing:







http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/S16...skYYg.facebook

[Vinny]

The man who witnessed Jerry Sandusky allegedly rape a pre-teen boy in the Penn State locker room in 2002 WILL be allowed to continue as a receivers coach when the team plays Nebraska on Saturday ... this according to the new Penn State head coach Tom Bradley.

Bradley was just officially introduced as Joe Paterno's temporary replacement -- and stated, "Right now Mike McQueary will be coaching on Saturday."

McQueary was a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002, when he claims he witnessed Sandusky raping a little boy in the Penn State showers. McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno -- but never called police.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-m.../#.Trwg7_SArWI

[Dutchrudder]

The Second Mile's website: http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php


Anyone recognize any of these names? There are a lot of people affiliated with this charity.

Board of Directors: State Board of Directors

Bob Poole, Chairperson

President and CEO, S & A Homes and Poole Anderson Construction

Jack Raykovitz, President

The Second Mile

Dave Woodle, Vice Chairperson

Chairman & CEO, NanoHorizons, Inc.

Lauren Shank, Secretary

Corporate Attorney & Community Volunteer

Bill Martin, Treasurer

Certified Financial Planner, Wienken & Associates

Bill Anderson - Regional Sales Director, OptumHealth

Cliff Benson - Retired, Deloitte Tax LLP

Jerry Burton - Certified Brain Specialist

Don Carlino - President, Airgas Safety, Inc.

Jake Corman - Pennsylvania State Senator

Neal DeAngelo - Owner, DeAngelo Brothers, Inc.

Eddie Dunklebarger - Vice Chairman and President, Susquehanna Bancshares, Inc.

Todd Erdley - President and CEO, Videon Central

Ken Ewing - Retired, Hershey Foods Corporation

Mike Fiaschetti - Senior Vice President, Highmark Blue Shield

Michael Fiore - Executive Vice President, Leonard S. Fiore, Inc.

Linda Gall - Community Volunteer

Bruce Heim - Chairman, Keystone Real Estate Group, LP

Dottie Huck - Community Volunteer

Dick Kile - President, Tri-Emerald Financial Group

Tom Knepley - Sales and Marketing Coordinator, Techbldrs

Mike Kuntz - Senior Vice President, Turner Construction

Debra McCarthy - Community Volunteer

Daryl Milliner – Regional Vice President, Paradigm Partners

Melanie Naro - Attorney

Heidi Nicholas - Real Estate Developer & Manager

Mike O’Donnell - Founding Partner, AGs&M

Chuck Pearson - Retired Bank Chairman, Waypoint Financial

Eric Peterson - Tax Partner, Walz, Deihm, Geisenberger, Bucklen & Tennis, PC

Al Pringle - Real Estate Appraiser/Developer

Nancy Ring - Realtor, REMAX Centre County

Ray Roundtree - Regional Vice President of Finance, Comcast Cable

DrueAnne Schreyer - Community Volunteer

Louie Sheetz - Executive Vice President Marketing, Sheetz, Inc.

Fred Strouse - Realtor, Kissinger Bigatel Brower

Ric Struthers - Retired, Bank of America

Mike Sullivan - Owner, Automated Records Center

The Honorary members are quite famous too:

Board of Directors: Honorary Board

John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner

R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies

James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart

William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.

Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President

Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc.

Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst

Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises

Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President

Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms

Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)

Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer

Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.

Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.

Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods

[Runner]

Originally Posted by Vinny

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-m.../#.Trwg7_SArWI

One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

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One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Runner

One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

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One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

Another viewpoint on that subject .

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_ne..._coward_sees_a

[chicagotexan2]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Students rioting over Jo Pa's firing:







http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/S16...skYYg.facebook

Rally if not sponsored by then definately supported by NAMBLA.

What a bunch of effing ahole moronic schItheads.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by Runner

One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

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One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

Exactly. I'm sure there are some that believe violence is never the answer even in a situation like this....which I can't even begin to address....but that aside, even if this guy was afraid he'd get his ass kicked or maybe believed "violence wasn't the answer" or his pee-pee hurt, or whatever the case may be, he should have done something..ANYTHING.more than he did....whether that was to make noise, bang on something while calling the cops, yell, throw something...friggin anything!!!

If I saw this guy get taken advantage of now the way he watched that boy, I'd prbably just smoke a cig and laugh and ask, how's it feel?

[The1ApplePie]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

Exactly. I'm sure there are some that believe violence is never the answer even in a situation like this....which I can't even begin to address....but that aside, even if this guy was afraid he'd get his ass kicked or maybe believed "violence wasn't the answer" or his pee-pee hurt, or whatever the case may be, he should have done something..ANYTHING.more than he did....whether that was to make noise, bang on something while calling the cops, yell, throw something...friggin anything!!!

If I saw this guy get taken advantage of now the way he watched that boy, I'd prbably just smoke a cig and laugh and ask, how's it feel?

We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Runner

Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

I'm a leader in my son's Cub Scout pack, and BSA has been very pro-active about educating parents and children about abusive situations.

Every scout handbook has an insert, How to Protect Your Children From Child Abuse and Drug Abuse: A Parent’s Guide, that should be read to your child every year to reinforce the lessons.

This is a good resource for any parent, even those not involved with scouts, to use for educating their children.

BSA is also very aggressive about deep background checks of leaders, including the FBA national database, and regular training (Youth Protection Training). They have very strict policies about child abuse, including two-deep leadership (never be alone with a scout that is not your son), as well as a list of other protective measures.

You can never been too paranoid about protecting children. And that's what really makes this entire situation so pathetic and disgusting. So many people should have demanded action, yet it seems like the corporate brand of a school was more important to them. Shameful and depraved mentalities, IMO.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by The1ApplePie

We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.

Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.

[The1ApplePie]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.

I hear you. I have reacted the same way for family. Even had to get tackled by four friends so I wouldn't beat a guy's head in with a tire iron for hitting a stray dog with his car. I'm pretty sure I know how I will react but you can never be sure.

Shock can do strange things to people.

The guy that saw it all should at least lose his job. A freakin' disgrace. Don't know how he sleeps at night.

[Dutchrudder]

From wiki on the DA's disappearance:

At 11:30 a.m. (EDT) on April 15, 2005, Gricar called Patty Fornicola, his live-in girlfriend, to inform her that he was driving through the Brush Valley area northeast of Centre Hall.[9] Fornicola reported Gricar missing 12 hours later when he failed to return home.[9]
Gricar's car, a red MINI Cooper, was discovered the following day in an antique store parking lot in Lewisburg.[10] His county-issued cell phone was inside, but his laptop computer, keys, and wallet were missing, and there were no signs of foul play.[8] Police and family members noted that the location where the vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, Ray Gricar's older brother, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.[10]
Authorities searched the river and its banks in the days following the vehicle's discovery, but found no sign of Gricar.[8] Pennsylvania authorities asked the FBI to analyze Gricar's bank accounts, credit card records, and cell phone records, but found no clues as to where he may have been.[8]
On July 30, 2005, fishermen discovered Gricar's county-issued laptop computer in the Susquehanna River beneath a bridge between Lewisburg and Milton.[11] A Pennsylvania State Police computer expert analyzed the computer and found that its hard drive was missing.[11] Divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was found over the next several days, but found nothing else.[11] Two months later, a hard drive was recovered on the banks of the Susquehanna River about 100 yards (91 m) from where the laptop was found and is believed to be Gricar's;[12] however, it was badly damaged and analysis by the FBI, U.S. Secret Service, and the firm Kroll Ontrack – which had successfully recovered data from a hard drive recovered from the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster – were all unable to recover any data from the hard drive.[13] In April 2009 Bellefonte police revealed that before his disappearance, Gricar used his home computer to perform internet searches on topics such as "how to wreck a hard drive", "how to fry a hard drive", and "water damage to a notebook computer".[14]
Gricar's disappearance has been the subject of at least two television documentaries: an episode of Haunting Evidence first aired on Court TV in June 2006, and an episode of Disappeared first aired on Investigation Discovery in February 2011.[15] Additionally, an episode of CBS' Without a Trace featured Gricar's missing person information.[16]
On June 30, 2011, Lara Gricar, Ray's daughter and trustee of his estate, petitioned Centre County for a court declaration of presumed death.[17] County president judge David E. Grine approved the petition and declared Gricar legally dead on July 25, 2011.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar#Disappearance

So what happened to this guy? No body ever found, no signs of suicide or foul play. Sounds like a professional took him out.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Runner

One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

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One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

If you think about it, Paterno promoted McQueady from a graduate assistant position to a full time coaching position after this went down. Quid pro quo

[srrono]

I dont understand this. Is it joke? If so really?

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