Penn State Child Molestation Case

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by toronto

I can't imagine what ex-PSU LBs like Shane Conlan are thinking right now.

Did you see Matt Millen (former PSU LB) on his ESPN sports show this morning? The dude was so pissed and upset that he bust out into tears on the air. He said his inner feeling is go to take care of this himself, which I took as him wanting to kill his former position coach and friend.

Here is the video of that ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ix4jlXNDd8

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

You're full of it. He doesn't care what you think. He doesn't even know you exist. I'm sure he has enough conscience to feel remorse for what this entire ordeal has brought. I'm sure in hindsight, he would've notified the authorities. However, you can get hung up on morality. I'm about legality. You are correct the NBA lockout can't end soon enough but the season totally being scrapped is far more likely than games actually being played at this point.

I never insinuated that he cares what I think, troll.

You're not about "legality". Stupidity, perhaps...

[Dan B.]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

No we will burn him at the stake. I think many posters here are parents and therefore are thinking about this like it involves their children. I am not burdened by the role of being a parent. If Joe did fulfill his responsibility by notifying his superior then I don't understand the irrational urge to legally punish him if he did fulfill his legal responsibility. I'm not saying he shouldn't have called the police or should but in this situation. Going above his responsibility of calling the police is a personal choice. A choice he has to live with. Personal shame is more damaging than what any of these members could hope for.

Originally Posted by Vinny

says a lot about you that you think this way. I'd watch out for kids outside of my own...hell, the kid I take care of isn't my kid. It's another Man's kid. If I saw a rape, murder, child porn or any harmful act to another human being I'd do my part as a human being and do the right thing. Contacting your boss and then nothing happening after the fact isn't the right friggin' thing. That's low character stuff.

No kidding.

I don't have children, but I imagine being that kid. Try it.

Forced to submit to anal rape, you turn around and see another coach watching you. That coach... turns and walks away (to call his dad and go home). He saw you getting raped and then left you alone with the rapist. I have no idea how McQueary slept that night -- or any night since. How he couldn't even call 911 is beyond me.

[The1ApplePie]

You're full of it. He doesn't care what you think. He doesn't even know you exist. I'm sure he has enough conscience to feel remorse for what this entire ordeal has brought. I'm sure in hindsight, he would've notified the authorities. However, you can get hung up on morality. I'm about legality. You are correct the NBA lockout can't end soon enough but the season totally being scrapped is far more likely than games actually being played at this point.

I'm pretty sure even NAMBLA calls this morally irreprehensible

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Did you see Matt Millen (former PSU LB) on his ESPN sports show this morning? The dude was so pissed and upset that he bust out into tears on the air. He said his inner feeling is go to take care of this himself, which I took as him wanting to kill his former position coach and friend.

Here is the video of that ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ix4jlXNDd8

I'm glad he broke down - maybe if more famous alumni start feeling that sick to their stomach they'll all team up and get that 84 year old schmuck disguised as a good man the hell out of there and start the painful process of bleaching every last square inch of that place, anywhere where Sandusky stepped or sat.

For the man to know this **** went down, then go about the only damn thing he cared about, which was becoming the winningest coach ever, tarnishes every last accomplishment he made, even the school's admirable graduation rate.

[gwallaia]

I wonder how many former Penn State players knew what was happening and never said anything?

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

You're acting like a child just because I'm not joining the lynch mob. Take a look in the mirror before you claim I'm about stupidity. Just because you don't want to see that I'm about legality doesn't mean you have the right to tell me what I'm about.

Are you an uncle? Cousin? What if this had happened to a buddy of yours that had a kid and you personally witnessed it, or was told by a reliable person what had happened. You seriously wouldn't go to the cops? Really?

This is not about joining a lynch mob. Read all 20 pages+ of the attorney general's report, then come back here and try and say that again with a straight face. People are going to jail over this, its simply a matter of how many and for how long.

I'm quite confident that god-loving parents that have waved the PSU pom-pom and drank Paterno's kool-aid their entire lives are in personal turmoil right now - they know damn well they can't support him or the program, not with this on their watches.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

I wonder how many former Penn State players knew what was happening and never said anything?

I'll bet anything most of them have already been subpoened as the legal vultures begin to circle. Expect class action lawsuits galore once the criminal charges have been laid.

[Joe Texan]

SMU paid a player and got the death penalty Pen State should be banned from football for 30 years

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

You're acting like a child just because I'm not joining the lynch mob. Take a look in the mirror before you claim I'm about stupidity. Just because you don't want to see that I'm about legality doesn't mean you have the right to tell me what I'm about.

Can you read? Is that above your basic skill set?

Like toronto mentioned, take the time to read 20 pages+ of the attorney general's report before you start flaming people like a worthless troll.

Bleating "I'm about legality" tells me what you're all about, chump.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Joe Texan

SMU paid a player and got the death penalty Pen State should be banned from football for 30 years

As I said before, SMU is NOTHING compared to this. USC, Miami, Ohio St., you name the school that has been through NCAA sanctions and they all pale in comparison to what may have happened inside the walls of the Happy Valley football program.

There is a big difference between point shaving, paying players, tattoo issues and frigging child molestation/rape, followed by a MASSIVE cover-up.

The fact that the university then had the balls to tell reporters to NOT ask Paterno questions about this mess and leave it to football only, then realizing that would never happen, cancel it, says a lot about the people there. Even now, with all of this out there, they're still trying to stick their heads in the ground and pray it'll go away. Newsflash to PSU administration. The denial period is now over and you're all ****ed.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

I agree that the program should get the death penalty by the NCAA and the banned period should be longer than SMU (which was technically 1 year but SMU decided to sit out the next year). I also agree that people will and should go to prison let alone jail.

However, Paterno shouldn't and I'm only speaking about Paterno and always have been. Now, yes I am a cousin of young children but no matter because I'm not one to put myself in another's shoes. Though, I will call the authorities in that situation if I witness such things. However, Paterno fulfilled his legal responsibility and by me calling the police I would have beyond what I was legally supposed to do. People are confusing morals with the law.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to bash you, there looks like enough here to take care of that. I'll tell you I strongly disagree - Paterno's legal responsibility is one thing, but the man spouting off for decades about his love of god and caring for kids. If that were all true, he goes to the authorities and turns in his friend, realizing how sick that person may have been.

He's lost a lot, if not all of his credibility/legacy, and believe me, that's ALWAYS been all he's ever cared about. The man is frigging 84 years old and still coaching - even Bobby Bowden gave in and moved on, kicking and screaming.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

I agree that the program should get the death penalty by the NCAA and the banned period should be longer than SMU (which was technically 1 year but SMU decided to sit out the next year). I also agree that people will and should go to prison let alone jail.

However, Paterno shouldn't and I'm only speaking about Paterno and always have been. Now, yes I am a cousin of young children but no matter because I'm not one to put myself in another's shoes. Though, I will call the authorities in that situation if I witness such things. However, Paterno fulfilled his legal responsibility and by me calling the police I would have beyond what I was legally supposed to do. People are confusing morals with the law.

Personally I'm not confusing morals with the law. I'm disappointed and outraged with the morality of the people trusted to protect the children. I don't give a crap about hiding behind technicalities in the law - That's what morally vacant people do....and that's what the outrage is about. Moral vacancy. There is no confusion on my behalf.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

Still shouting insults like a 4 year old? I can read but there is a difference between what is and isn't worth reading. I have read a few pages so far. However, it doesn't concern me. What concerns me is figuring where's Paterno's responsibility and I don't need to read the whole report for my answer. I haven't been trolling or flaming instead I was giving a different viewpoint. I guess that's trolling though. Calm down ffs.

You're just as sick in the head as Paterno for justifying these non-actions.

You hide behind legality, but that is nothing but a shadow to what is truly important in life.

If that makes me a "4 year old shouting insults" in your tiny little brain, so be it. Your opinion of me is worthless.

You'll be gone soon anyway.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Personally I'm not confusing morals with the law. I'm disappointed and outraged with the morality of the people trusted to protect the children. I don't give a crap about hiding behind technicalities in the law - That's what morally vacant people do....and that's what the outrage is about. Moral vacancy. There is no confusion on my behalf.

I can only imagine how a PSU diehard that always loved Paterno, but is a parent and coming to the harsh reality of this, is dying inside. They know, no matter how hard they try to rationalize it, that this is something you can't rationalize or hide from.

I watched every second of Millen and to me, this is a rational reaction of a parent and person that can't live with himself, knowing he used to look up to what may go down as a monster.

Or worse, maybe he walked around in the shower naked around Sandusky, and is coming to grips that the son of a ***** was enjoying that in a way he can't possibly comprehend.

[srrono]

see no evil - hear no evil - speak no evil = enablers

[TimeKiller]

Legality. Ha. We all break laws moron. Nobody is calling for my head for speeding to get home earlier. Some words on a piece of paper somewhere is what you and Pappy Slappy can hide behind. The MONSTER he tried to hide will ALWAYS be visible.

You hear something? What is it. Oh, it's a guy raping a kid. What on the face of the planet would stop you from a) kicking the **** outta that guy b) calling the police and my goodness c) disassociate with the monster who raped children in YOUR house?

Legally Joe Paterno might be in the clear. Morally he's got a thousand pound weight strapped to his back. Socially, he's ****ed.

[GlassHalfFull]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

I agree that the program should get the death penalty by the NCAA and the banned period should be longer than SMU (which was technically 1 year but SMU decided to sit out the next year). I also agree that people will and should go to prison let alone jail.

However, Paterno shouldn't and I'm only speaking about Paterno and always have been. Now, yes I am a cousin of young children but no matter because I'm not one to put myself in another's shoes. Though, I will call the authorities in that situation if I witness such things. However, Paterno fulfilled his legal responsibility and by me calling the police I would have beyond what I was legally supposed to do. People are confusing morals with the law.

My turn to nitpick what you are saying. There is also no law against your calling the police. You make it sound like he would have been doing something wrong by taking the next step. He may not be legally culpable, but he still should have made the call.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by GlassHalfFull

My turn to nitpick what you are saying. There is also no law against your calling the police. You make it sound like he would have been doing something wrong by taking the next step. He may not be legally culpable, but he still should have made the call.

There's a story about it happening in 1998 and the mother of the boy was paid off and the DA on the case has never been found .

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

You'll be gone soon anyway. e:

LOL....best use of a smiley.


Arsenal, by the law, yes, he did what he had to do, the bare minimum. It is not illegal for him to call someone or follow up with the situation after he reported it. More should have been done.

Even though you admittedly don't have nor necessarily like kids as you have posted before, which is fine, you still sound ludicrous for acting as though he fulfilled his obligations in full as a human, law and morality aside. These were kids man, kids. You make sure someone pays for that.

Admitting that and joining a lynch mob are 2 different things. And obviously people who are parents like me, DB, Vinny, GHF, Nitro, Srrono, etc., are going to be more sensitive to the issue but we are still making logical arguments and not just flailing with hyberbole IMO.

It just boggles my mind that someone wouldn't have demanded more from someone like Joe Pa who IS Penn St, not just a coach. Sandusky STILL was allowed on campus and had an office and would work out there, etc, all these years later but the school would not allow him to bring kids to the facility anymore, so he clearly had been found out, yet Joe Pa, and everyone else, turned a blind eye. That's solid fuqed up right there. So yes, in my mind, Joe knew what happened as he let his AD know, yet still looked this fuq in the eye on campus in some unofficial role for ow many years later. Joe Pa is not an *****, you know that if the AD had called the cops Sandusky would have been raped and murdered in jail by now. That didn't raise any bells to Joe Pa...this is a complerte cluster FAIL on Joe Pa and everyone else and honestly I hope anyone not criminally charged is civilly sued for every penny they earn to where there grandkids are poor.

Joe Pa's legacy is trash, Penn St is dead and the NCAA has yet another nail in what I hope is its coffin as an organization honestly. I'm honestly surprised I am so composed in this discussion. The things I want to do to Sandusky are just sick, even I'm shocked. I think for the first time my imagination has outdone anything I have ever heard while listening to Metal...and that's saying alot with some of the **** I jam lol.