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Old 11-03-2011   #21
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Default Re: PFF DB rankings at mid-season

I'll tell y'all again:

The 2010 class of DBs are mediocre at best.

Kareem might be below average, but Patrick Robinson, Devin McCourty and Kyle Wilson are all ehh at best at this point.

don't let McCourty's pro bowl appearance fool you. He got roasted a ton last year, and that trend has continued this year. QBs are targeting him something SERIOUS this year.
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These are "fantasy" rankings that are determined by fluff stats.

The PFF Fantasy IDP Scoring System

Solo Tackles 1 point
Assisted Tackles .5 points
Sacks 4 points
Tackles for a Loss 3 points
Passes Defensed 1 point
Interceptions 6 points Forced Fumbles 4 points
Fumble Recoveries 2 points
Touchdowns 6 points Safeties 10 points
Blocked Kicks 6 points

They have little to do with what a corner's actual job is: Not allowing his man to catch the football and advance down the field. Anything else he does is a bonus.
JJ's ranking would be a little bit higher if the two TD's against the Steelers would have counted.
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JJ's ranking would be a little bit higher if the two TD's against the Steelers would have counted.
No it wouldn't because these rankings were done before the season started.
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I'm not sure what time period those stats are coming from. Up through Week 8 here are the 2011 rankings for CB (not just fantasy stats)

Overall
9. Johnathan Joseph
37. Brice McCain
62. Jason Allen
86. Kareem Jackson

1. Darrelle Revis
66. Devin McCourty
73. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
76. Ike Taylor
90. Nnamdi Asomugha
95. Dunta Robinson

Coverage Only
8. Johnathan Joseph
30. Brice McCain
80. Jason Allen
88. Kareem Jackson

Joseph is definitely one of the elite and McCourty is having a terrible year. I would say we lucked out.
Yep these DEF seem right to me !!!!!!!!!
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No it wouldn't because these rankings were done before the season started.
he said they were through week 8, where did you find that it was pre season ?
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Well there has been a lot of talk in the 'bash Kareem' thread about the Texan's DB situation this season, but was just browsing the PFF website and came across these rankings of the top 100 DB's in the NFL this season.

39. Glover Quin HOU
45. Jonathan Joseph HOU
Fantasy rankings are very, very, very, very different than rating the skills and abilities of the players. For instance Joseph won't have as many opportunities to tackle people if less QB's throw his way, less wr's catch balls.....less opportunities to make a tackle. Quin is a S so he is supposed to make more tackles. Quin has struggled at times this season so there is zero, nada, no way in hell he is a better player than Joseph...period, point blank.
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Yep these DEF seem right to me !!!!!!!!!
I don't have a problem with that either.

Well, something is fundamentally wrong when J.Allen & KJac are rated above DRC & Nnamdi.

But Allen playing better than Kj over the first 8 weeks, I have no problem with that at all. However, I think Allen is playing no better/worse than he was in week 1. I think Kj is playing better now than he was in week 1 & I expect that trend to continue.
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I don't have a problem with that either.

Well, something is fundamentally wrong when J.Allen & KJac are rated above DRC & Nnamdi.

But Allen playing better than Kj over the first 8 weeks, I have no problem with that at all. However, I think Allen is playing no better/worse than he was in week 1. I think Kj is playing better now than he was in week 1 & I expect that trend to continue.
The fact that KJ is on there at all says all that needs to be said. Since people in that other thread wanted to act as if he had no skill and couldn't play the position at all.

I too expect him to get better and would not be surprised if this guy is our definite #2 going into next year.
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I don't have a problem with that either.

Well, something is fundamentally wrong when J.Allen & KJac are rated above DRC & Nnamdi.

But Allen playing better than Kj over the first 8 weeks, I have no problem with that at all. However, I think Allen is playing no better/worse than he was in week 1. I think Kj is playing better now than he was in week 1 & I expect that trend to continue.
if you give up completions, you are right there to make the tackle. If nobody throws your way, you aren't. These are fantasy rankings people.
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I don't have a problem with that either.

Well, something is fundamentally wrong when J.Allen & KJac are rated above DRC & Nnamdi.

But Allen playing better than Kj over the first 8 weeks, I have no problem with that at all. However, I think Allen is playing no better/worse than he was in week 1. I think Kj is playing better now than he was in week 1 & I expect that trend to continue.
Playing better than in week 1 ? we played against kerry collins, he had 197 yards and 1 TD. So i dont see how he could of improved, he didnt have a bad game, and against miami he had a good game, we only gave up 170 yards. If u say he has been playing better you should start that from week 3 when he got torched.

On that note i dont think K.J has played bad this season, minus a few bad moments. I just feel J. Allen is overall better, maybe besides tackling.
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I'm not sure what time period those stats are coming from. Up through Week 8 here are the 2011 rankings for CB (not just fantasy stats)

Overall
9. Johnathan Joseph
37. Brice McCain
62. Jason Allen
86. Kareem Jackson

1. Darrelle Revis
66. Devin McCourty
73. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
76. Ike Taylor
90. Nnamdi Asomugha
95. Dunta Robinson

Coverage Only
8. Johnathan Joseph
30. Brice McCain
80. Jason Allen
88. Kareem Jackson

Joseph is definitely one of the elite and McCourty is having a terrible year. I would say we lucked out.
these however arent fantasy rankings. This is what we're talking about Vinny.
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if you give up completions, you are right there to make the tackle. If nobody throws your way, you aren't. These are fantasy rankings people.
The OP posted fantasy rankings.. I don't think the second set was. Your reasoning doesn't make sense, anyway, since Joseph is ahead of Kareem.
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Pretty sure Brice McCain has been pretty good in the spot he's playing. Whatever that is.
I think I save my alloted KJax hate just for McCain.

I can't unsee what I've seen from him.
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