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Old 10-31-2011   #21
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what stuned me was that ball Matt throw to Foster on the side he was trying to get rid of it but he throw the ball perfect LOw yes but the ball went right to Fosters lower waist and foster didnt even try to catch it
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Accuracy isn't all on the qb, no more than it's all on the WR. The qb has to trust that you're going to be right where you're supposed to be. I think schaub knows these guys well enough in that 10-20 yd. range running certain routes b/c that's where he normally throws them the ball & that's the routes that they normally run. But if you take all these guys out of their comfort zone (as everyone is with the absence of AJ), you're going to have games like this b/c its whole different set circumstances - chemistry wise.


So yes, schaub could've been more accurate but for him to overthrow them as consistently as he did tells me that the WR's weren't quite where they should've been either....for whatever reason. You also have to figure that jacksonville wouldn't have been playing press man like they were if their was any doubt about whether our WR's could beat them deep or not & with press man comes tons of re-routing, grabbing & holding to throw the timing of a route off.
1-10-HST 39 (13:54) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep middle to K.Walter.

Texans in play action pass.
Safeties squat to play the run.
Schaub saw that the RCB was in man on Walter (post route).
Schaub went downfield on a 46-yd attempt (from LOS to about chest-high level if the receiver was to catch it.)
This is the top of Schaub's range.
Walter had 6 secs to cover that distance; he didn't.
This one is on Walter IMO; he should have realized single coverage and busted his tail downfield sooner.
Maybe Walter didn't expect Schaub to be able to throw the ball that far, LOL!
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If you're talking about the 1 that JJ dropped, i would disagree. If anything that ball was about as perfectly placed by schaub as you could get...imo of course.
Same drive, in thesecond qtr

3-10-HST 39 (13:38) (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep left to J.Jones.

Ball slightly underthrown but catchable.
RCB Cox recovered and helped distract JJ from the ball.
A throw a yard further ahead would have given JJ no excuse whatsoever, but still JJ should have caught that ball.
This one is about 31 yards plus the diagonal distance to go to the sideline, the equivalent of a 36-38 yd pass down the middle.
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Second qtr:

1-10-HST 31 (8:58) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep middle to J.Jones.

Roughly a 43-yd pass, with about 5.5 secs for JJ to cover on a post route.

JJ had enough time to get there.
The ball was just out of reach by a foot or two at he most.

He probably couldn't judge the ball due to looking back straight at the sun.
(Same goes for the earlier passes, more or less, depending on the angle.)
This begs the question, why did we go deep with the receiver having to look back at the sun?
How much does it really affect the receiver's ability to locate and adjust to the ball?
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3rd qtr

1-10-JAX 44 (13:23) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep middle to K.Walter.

This is only just about 36 yards deep.
Walter had almost 6 secs to run the skinny post.
He did have to take his stem such that he can try to sell the corner route to LCB Mathis (who didn't buy it) and the sun might also have been a factor.
A shorter pass could be a better option here, but it's highly feasible that Schaub expected Walter to get there on the deeper pass; he did have enough time.
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I said this in another thread but...

I really think that Kubiak saw something in the game tape that led him to believe that the deep ball would be open. They were dialing up a lot more deep throws and being more aggressive with that than usual.

I guess he might have been doing it to loosen up the box a little bit but I think he saw soemthing and was trying to take advantage of it. Schaub was off and he doesn't have the same chemistry with JJ and KW on those deep throws that he does with AJ.

If a couple more of those shots would have hit, we might have broken this game open. But missing those things can be drive killers. Still, it's nice to see them being aggressive with it and it will give the Jags something to think about when we play them next time.
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First Qtr


3-7-JAX 36 (3:42) (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep right to K.Walter [D.Smith]. (The punt hang time was 4.4
seconds.)
Houston challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)

Very good pass under pressure.
Walter just couldn't drag or tip anther foot on the ground.
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Second qtr:

1-10-HST 31 (8:58) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep middle to J.Jones.

Roughly a 43-yd pass, with about 5.5 secs for JJ to cover on a post route.

JJ had enough time to get there.
The ball was just out of reach by a foot or two at he most.

He probably couldn't judge the ball due to looking back straight at the sun.
(Same goes for the earlier passes, more or less, depending on the angle.)
This begs the question, why did we go deep with the receiver having to look back at the sun?
How much does it really affect the receiver's ability to locate and adjust to the ball?
I realize the city spent a lot of money on that retractable roof, but for noon games it needs to be closed. It made it difficult on both teams when it came to returns and long passes, something that would have played to the Texans' strengths given that Gabbert is awful.
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I said this in another thread but...

I really think that Kubiak saw something in the game tape that led him to believe that the deep ball would be open. They were dialing up a lot more deep throws and being more aggressive with that than usual.

I guess he might have been doing it to loosen up the box a little bit but I think he saw soemthing and was trying to take advantage of it. Schaub was off and he doesn't have the same chemistry with JJ and KW on those deep throws that he does with AJ.

If a couple more of those shots would have hit, we might have broken this game open. But missing those things can be drive killers. Still, it's nice to see them being aggressive with it and it will give the Jags something to think about when we play them next time.
I agree!

1-10-HST 33 (5:40) M.Schaub pass deep left to J.Jones to JAX 39 for 28 yards (D.Cox).

Schaub froze the deep safety with a pump fake.
(This guy was looking to help the LCB - Mathis, I think - covering Walter.)
Very nice job on Matt's part.
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The AJ excuse is just that...An excuse...

Im not saying he isn't missing Dre, but lets not act like Shammy was setting the world on fire when Dre was here...

Just about every game he's had poor moments...This game was no exception..
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If you're talking about the 1 that JJ dropped, i would disagree. If anything that ball was about as perfectly placed by schaub as you could get...imo of course.
If we are talking about the same throw then I didn't see that...

The ball was not out in front of Jacoby like it ideally should have been...It was slightly behind him which allowed the defender to have a shot at hitting it...

Jacoby had to slow down and slightly lean back to try to catch it from what I remember...
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If we are talking about the same throw then I didn't see that...

The ball was not out in front of Jacoby like it ideally should have been...It was slightly behind him which allowed the defender to have a shot at hitting it...

Jacoby had to slow down and slightly lean back to try to catch it from what I remember...
There was one which was perfectly placed, dropped over JJ's shoulder and should have been an easy in stride reception.

As a general matter, slightly and ideally shouldn't have to be used that often to put criticism on any QB. If's not like the WR's are slot cars and the QB knows the exact speed and path much less the fact the best QB's of all time would be hard pressed dropping 6 balls in a trashcan out of 10 at 40+ yards.
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Schaub was just sick of people saying he can't throw the deep ball... that's all lol
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As a general matter, slightly and ideally shouldn't have to be used that often to put criticism on any QB.
I was not being critical of Matt with my comments that you quoted. I was making an observation. I didn't say the throw was bad, awful or anything like that...

I just implied that the throw was not placed in a great spot and it made the catch more difficult.

As far as critiquing QB's when their passes are slightly off, I disagree with you there too. Throwing a ball into a trash can is not the same as putting good placement on a ball for a receiver giving him better odds at making a clean catch.

People have a catch radius...They can adjust to balls..they can dive for balls, speed up or slow down...Trash cans are stationary targets and have small openings...

I never said or suggested that Matt should be able to drill guys in the facemask, but he can improve on his ball placement...

But in another thread I said that Matt and the receivers should find a happy medium..Matt is not an elite gun slinger and the recievers are not Dre or Fitzgerald...Slightly better ball placement and slightly better technique/effort when catching balls would go a long way...
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