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Old 10-06-2005   #61
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I disagree that Capers is a bad coach, he is just quilty of bad judgement & loyalty to his associates
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if we're going to play the blame game let's leave out the owner bob mcnair...he has been the ideal owner...not getting involved like jerry has...as for casserly and the coaches that's a different story...i don't care if capers was asking him to bring in babin or pbuc...i doesn't matter...casserly has been around the league long enough to know a good player...he traded too much to get those two guys and that is considered his downfall...not the guys he missed in the draft...because 31 other teams missed that player too...as far as capers goes i hate...ABSOLUTELY HATE when i hear we're playing not to lose...srew that man...let's play to win...get these guys motivated to play...keep the scheme's simply...lace up the cleats and GATA (get after their ***)...no more of this let's prepare and over analyze things...just play the game
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Old 10-06-2005   #63
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I thought the zone blocking had nothing to do with our pass blocking?
You are correct, but no matter how many times you tell some people (Ibar for example) they will keep on bringing it up as the down fall of the pass blocking.
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casserly has been around the league long enough to know a good player...he traded too much to get those two guys and that is considered his downfall...
Kind of, IMO. Not every player is right for every system. Specialized systems run by some coaches will best run with certain type players. The specialist who runs or designed that system should know best what is needed far more than a general NFL guy like Casserly. That makes it natural for Capers/Fangio to go to Casserly and say Babin is what we really need to implement what we want to do on D, get him if you can. The flip side is Casserly shouldn't blindly go Christmas shopping for the coach. Once the deal gets too rich to move up he should turn to the coach and say sorry we are going to have to gamble to see if he drops or find a replacement later. The letter to Santa may be Capers', but Casserly was the dad that decided to pay the price for the gift.
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Once the deal gets too rich to move up he should turn to the coach and say sorry we are going to have to gamble to see if he drops or find a replacement later.
And that's why Cass has got to bear a large part of the blame for the Babin
deal, even if he was indifferent about Babin to start with. He's the one who
in control of the Draft picks and has got to exercise some discipline.
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The letter to Santa may be Capers', but Casserly was the dad that decided to pay the price for the gift.
I smell a new sig.

*Edit* Curses...too long.
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You are correct, but no matter how many times you tell some people (Ibar for example) they will keep on bringing it up as the down fall of the pass blocking.
It does, but you can't convince them that it doesn't. Changes the gaps among other things and that's why Denver needs a roll out passer to avoid the rush. I believe the principle is that you move your pocket, but the zone blocking scheme requires a QB to move around. Its not designed to take advantage of the passing attack. Its designed for the running game. Anyway that was the beginning of our downfall whether you like it or not...........
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In addition the kind of personnel required to operate out of the zone blocking scheme is different from the traditional blocking scheme if we could use that term. Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have. That is why I keep saying if you look at the team you will see that Capers does not utilize and adapt to the players talents. He tries to make them fit into his scheme even when its not possible.
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In addition the kind of personnel required to operate out of the zone blocking scheme is different from the traditional blocking scheme if we could use that term. Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have. That is why I keep saying if you look at the team you will see that Capers does not utilize and adapt to the players talents. He tries to make them fit into his scheme even when its not possible.
Zone blocking does not require smaller quicker players its just that teams use this scheme becasue they lack the size for traditional blocking schemes (the pocket QB). The one thing zone blocking is supposed to enhance is a dominant running game, even when they stack the box you should avg. 3-4 yards per carry. So if the Texans use the zone blocking and are effective Davis should be rushing for around 100 yards a game (or feature back). But whats happening is the line is getting blown up, losing any penetration to make it work and collapsing around the corners. sometimes when David feels the pressure he reacts to the left and he's unable to throw across his body with pursit on his backside. other times its a delayed blitz when one or two rushers come up the middle un-blocked.

Zone blocking will not help the situation until the Texans commit to the run regardless of size or mobility & that is the best solution to keeping the heat off of Carr.
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Here is my opinion on the O-line. I remember that in 2003 the Texans were improving the protection and the rushing yards were on the rise. Why else would DD say he was going to get 2000 yards rushing? 2004 comes around. "Geuss what everyone? There is a great zone-blocking scheme and it will increase production in the running game." Now its 2005. Defenses have schemed to beat the zone-blocking and are stuffing our rushing game with 4 DL as well as blitzing with success, thus leaving the remaining 7 for pass defense. (That means they can triple cover AJ)

The big question. When is Pendry going to fail miserably so we can get back to what really worked for the Texans?
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The big question. When is Pendry going to fail miserably so we can get back to what really worked for the Texans?
Once teams get about two games worth of tape on Pendry's style/approach, they'll have all they'll need to shut it down.

Something really worked for the Texans? When?
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Once teams get about two games worth of tape on Pendry's style/approach, they'll have all they'll need to shut it down.

Something really worked for the Texans? When?
Sad but true. It is still a pretty vanilla offense, and they just have to get some data on his tenedencies.
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The Steelers seem to have a pretty vanilla offense, too, but they aren't worried about opposing teams figuring them out because they execute it properly.

I'm more of a believer that it's the players, not the scheme. Evidence is abundant for this perspective.
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Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have.
We didn't get any smaller signing 6'8 315 Wade, or drafting 6'7 327 Wand. Pitts, Mckinney, and Weigert are all still here and Riley surely doesn't add quickness. It's not like we made the line any smaller since we switched to zone blocking. The zone blocking is not the reason the pass blocking sucks. The pass blocking sucks because the pass blocking sucks. The zone blocking is for the run, not the pass Ibar. I'm sure they're using the same pass blocking scheme they've been running since day 1 and can't see that it isn't working.
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