im done with schaub

[Mr. Texan]

Originally Posted by PHAROAH

Dude look at the teams who have invested in young signal callers we have to start somewhere Matt Shaub is not getting it done he is not a winner period we have had 5 seasons to see it and he doesn't have it period. Look at the qb's that have come out in the past 6 or 7 years the teams made commitments at those positions through the Draft not a free agent who didn't really fit the system that they are running on offense. Matt Shaub isn't a franchise qb that you can build your future on he is just like Tony Romo they will never be more than a system qb that put up decent stats that will make people love them, but never really turning into a leader.


Ben Rothlisberger, Aaron Rogers, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Cameron Newton, Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Phillip Rivers etc.

really?

What about the Brady Quinns and JaMarcus Russells that don't pan out? Not every QB you draft will turn into Aaron Rogers.

Is Schaub elite? no, but he is nowhere near as terrible as some of you try to make him. I know some are frustrated but that's a rebuild move and the Texans are not near that point yet.

[DX-TEX]

I just wished the guy showed some fire and passion for the game. he seems so methodical and unemotional out there.

[Norg]

Im not rdy to hit the panic button just yet esp when this upcoming game will be a very important game

if we can beat

Tenn CLE and Tampa

then all will be well IMO

and IMO Schaub is not the problem right now .... so yall are saying yall want to see lineart .....be the QB ???? IDK about that right now IMO we are kinda stuck with Schaub

[TheMatrix31]

Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

[JVL713]

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

I've thought about whether or not trading for either Bradford or the Rams pick as well. Bradford or Luck would both be better than Schaub in a few years, but I also feel like this team is built to win now.

However, having said that, I really don't see how using our first pick on a QB instantly puts us in a rebuilding stage as some have said. Out of our 11 first round picks in franchise history, 6 are currently on our team. One of which is Kareem Jackson, who nearly everyone sees as worthless, and another is Mario Williams, who's future with the team is uncertain. I'm not advocating wasting first rounders like we have, simply stating that we can survive without getting immediate use out of our first round pick.

Soo...to sum it all up. Yes, I would look at Bradford/Luck/RG3/any other promising QB in this upcoming draft.

[TheMatrix31]

I wouldn't look at any other promising QB. Just Luck or Bradford. Obviously only Bradford b/c we're not drafting Luck, lol.

QB is nowhere near the problem. I'd rather spend our first rounder on a safety or another WR.

[speedfreek]

doesn't matter if you have 3 top 10 receivers if your QB is going to skip the ball off the ground to them.

schaub isn't the same this year. he's choking because the expectations are high.

he'll compile good stats after the season becomes a waste due to losses at Tennessee and Jacksonville. (you know they will, they have mastered the choke under boobiak)

TJ

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

Luck is THE perfect Quarterback for Kubiak's system. He's much more mobile than Schaub and would excel in the boot game. He's excellent off play action and is ridiculously accurate with a cannon arm. He's also a passionate leader and is not a coward like Schaub (he has skills, but the guy is a *****...sorry).

I've been dreaming about drafting Luck for over a year now, but I know it won't happen. I would trade all our picks next year for him though without hesitation. Best prospect since Manning and it's not close.

[Rey]

Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

[Oz Texan]

Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Oz Texan

Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.

I don't care about playing through pain. That's an expectation. I don't give him extra points for that.

As far as him keeping us in the game. . . Ok. I don't know if I agree with that, but I don't vehemently disagree with it either.

For me shammy is a level above a jag. Hes not a guy that is going to consistently make key plays.

But today I don't think he played bad. Just not awesome or great.

[BigBull17]

I think you can catch lightning in a bottle with a rookie QB. Our defense looks good enough to maintain while a young pup gets his legs. I just don't think Schaub has it in him. He has one of the best olines in the game, and he folds like a Saigan whore when people get 5 feet away from him. The good qb's keep their eyes up even while getting hit. Matt just curls up and dies. Then, he limps off when HE is the one who sacked himself.

[Texan_Bill]

Dumbest thread ever!!!


OH wait, I mispoke because it's too early Monday morning. Surely someone won't disappoint and come up with a dumber thread before noon. Check that, 8:00 am.

[srrono]

Signed a six-year, $48 million contract. The deal included a $7 million signing bonus and a $10 million option in the fourth season. 2011: $5.7 million, 2012: $7.15 million, 2013: Free Agent

if texans are not going to resign then we must draft a QB 2012 or sign one 2013.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by mariowillshine15

The way he gives up when touched by a defender is what kills me most.

No fight, no struggle to get loose, just full fetal.

I think Schaub is thinking it's two hand touch.

yeah, to see Flacco throwing a completion while two Texans defenders take him down was impressive.

Meanwhile, a Ravens defender gets blocked into Schaub and basically takes him down with a forearm. Schaub was already thinking fetal before contact. You can see it in his eyes.

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by Rey

Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

Classic Texans.

[coon]

Has anyone else noticed brock.osweiler from asu. Big kid strong arm. If he comes out and can be had in the third round I would love it. He probably needs a year or two before he is ready but most obs of the future will, and I can handle schaub for that long.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Oz Texan

Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.

I watched Dan Pastorini do this for years. He was in a lot of pain and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in games.

I'm impressed with the man but not so much the QB. By the time the third quarter was over only the most optimistic sunshine pumper thought the Texans were still in the game. Everyone else knew they'd begun their slow, likely pointless crawl to the final gun.

[leebigeztx]

If they can draft a guy like rg3 in the 1st rd, they should. The way he's playing, he looks like a high mid rd 1st rd pick. The luxury they have is they have the time to develop a young gun and let schaub walk. The wvu kid is impressive also when I watch him. Having a guy with mobility and a big arm is key to this offense. The other issues can be adressed via free agency, but franchise qb are 1st rd picks. Brady is the exception to the rule. If you were ranking the top 10, 8 are 1st rd picks. That's just the way it is is a qb league.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

This is where I'm at. I don't think he is a bad QB, I know he's got limitations, but he fits this system pretty well(I wish he'd come out of his roll a little faster on those bootlegs).

Sometimes, he looks like a warrior.... those last two drives in the Oakland game.. & sometimes he doesn't.

But we know all too well, if our pass rush doesn't get to the passer, the pass defense can only last so long... & all most of the time all you need is a split second. But when the team is struggling, we need him to get that extra second. Side step the rush, step up in the pocket, do something.

I mentioned this about Schaub back in 2008. 2009, he stepped up, the whole team did (that was the year Andre was bowling people over to get into the endzone). He looked like he had it. He was making plays from the pocket, when he left the pocket his eyes were down field & he was looking to make a play, not get out of bounds.

Now, it looks like he's saying, "Whew, I've done enough on this play, let me chunk it....." even though it's 3rd down.

Last year, when we got behind, Matt put the team on his shoulders several times, & made **** happen. The Skins game, the Chiefs, The Baltimore game.... he was in the zone, he was the guy we need him to be. Prevent defense, blah, blah, blah we came back to win those games (excluding the Ravens') & you don't play prevent when the game gets close.

So we know he's got it in him. We just need to see him let it out. That guy was elite. This chump we've seen this year, not so much.