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Old 10-08-2011   #41
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The Raiders beating the Jets was... an upset.

Getting 3 points for being at home is irrelevant. It's part of the equation. We are favored.

You guys could go on to win all your games and we could go on to lose all of our games, it doesn't matter. Your beating us would still be an upset. For this game right here and right now, we're favored to beat you. If we lose to you, then it's an upset.

I don't see what your problem is with acknowledging that. It's not a knock on you guys or anything. It's just the truth. And it's inarguable.
Exactly. When the favored team loses, it's an upset. I'm not sure why anyone would argue that. But hey, give the guy points for supporting his team. We do.
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The Raiders beating the Jets was... an upset.

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How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

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How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

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Because everyone expects the Jets to be a better team. The Jets are expected to compete for a Super Bowl (again). Everyone is hoping <- the Raiders will be relevant this season & not rest on the "success" of their 8-8 season.
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How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

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Do you understand the concept of an upset?

From dictionary.com:
upĚset   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -setĚting, noun, adjective
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1. to overturn: to upset a pitcher of milk.
2. to disturb mentally or emotionally; perturb: The incident upset her.
3. to disturb or derange completely; put out of order; throw into disorder: to upset a system; to upset a mechanism; to upset an apartment.
4. to disturb physically: It upset his stomach.
5. to defeat or overthrow an opponent that is considered more formidable, as in war, politics, or sports.

The important wording here is "considered". It may well be that Team A turns out to be stronger than Team B but if going into a particular contest, Team B is considered stronger and is beaten by Team A, then Team A upset Team B.

Upsets are upsets based on expectations going into a contest. Upsets are not upsets based on the team's records at the end of the season.
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This year's Raiders are last year's Texans. Good offense, great running game, can move the ball in the air and can put up points. But their defense can't stop anyone. I think that's a reason they were able to beat the Jets because the Raiders offense > Jets defense, and the Jets offense is atrocious so they were able to get some stops.

That said, our defense can get gashed because they can line up McFadden and run it. McFadden seems to be a boom or bust back with a lot of 1-2 yard runs and then a 15 yard run or more. We have to play our assignments and keep contain.

If we can get an early lead and force them to go to the air more, I like our chances (never thought I'd say that given how bad our pass defense has been!)
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Do you understand the concept of an upset?

From dictionary.com:
upĚset   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -setĚting, noun, adjective
verb (used with object)
1. to overturn: to upset a pitcher of milk.
2. to disturb mentally or emotionally; perturb: The incident upset her.
3. to disturb or derange completely; put out of order; throw into disorder: to upset a system; to upset a mechanism; to upset an apartment.
4. to disturb physically: It upset his stomach.
5. to defeat or overthrow an opponent that is considered more formidable, as in war, politics, or sports.

The important wording here is "considered". It may well be that Team A turns out to be stronger than Team B but if going into a particular contest, Team B is considered stronger and is beaten by Team A, then Team A upset Team B.

Upsets are upsets based on expectations going into a contest. Upsets are not upsets based on the team's records at the end of the season.
Actually, the two teams were considered fairly well matched with the Texans getting the nod due to home field advantage. So, where you may have expected a win today and it felt like an upset to you, I saw it as something that came as no surprise to me. Since I said in an earlier post that you could flip a coin today, and that is exactly how it played out, I hardly consider today's victory an upset.
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