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Old 10-02-2011   #1
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Default The Back Shoulder Throw

Two questions:
1. How do you defend it?
2. Why don't we ever throw it?

If executed properly, it seems almost impossible to stop. The Saints and Steelers have used it very effectively against us.

Honestly, I've seen Schaub try it a couple of times, but wasn't successful. That doesn't mean they should stop trying to perfect it.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

IMO it's a matter of timing and a strong arm. Schaub doesn't have elite arm strength and the linger it hangs the more likely it is to get pick sixed.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

Schaub doesnt have the pinpoint accuracy nor the arm strength to throw it. For the most part , thats a throw that has to be within a 6 inch window on the edge of the field ....
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

You can throw that pass if you have a QB and WR on the page. Roethlisberger threw a duck to Brown one play. It was a-ok though, since it's obviously something they worked on.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

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IMO it's a matter of timing and a strong arm. Schaub doesn't have elite arm strength and the linger it hangs the more likely it is to get pick sixed.
^ THIS.

If you don't have + arm strength, you're flirting with disaster with that throw. Schaub might be able to sneak a couple in there every now and then, but if you try to make that throw a focal point within your passing game with Matt Schaub... you're just begging the CB to jump the route and take it to the house.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

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Two questions:
1. How do you defend it?
2. Why don't we ever throw it?
1. <Miyagi>If do right, no can defend.</Miyagi>
2. Schaub's not good enough.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

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^ THIS.

If you don't have + arm strength, you're flirting with disaster with that throw. Schaub might be able to sneak a couple in there every now and then, but if you try to make that throw a focal point within your passing game with Matt Schaub... you're just begging the CB to jump the route and take it to the house.
But how is the CB going to jump the route if he's looking at the receiver?

It looks like you only do the back shoulder throw when the D is playing man. In man, the CB is looking dead straight at the receiver until he thinks the ball is in the air.

It's the receivers job to sell that route is a simple go route up the sideline. But out of no where, the receiver stops and turns toward the sideline (opposite the CB) and the ball should magically be there in a split second!

Yes, it's all timing... but I question the "Schaub's arm is too weak to throw it" argument. If the CB doesn't even know the pass is coming his way, how is he going to turn to intercept it?
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

Keyshawn Johnson and Eric Allen were actually explaining the play yesterday morning on the ESPN show. They explained it from both the WR and DB perspective. Pretty good segment actually. I know this doesn't help answer your question but I'm getting ready for work and late on time. Maybe someone has "you tubed" it.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

I always thought....you know....the "back shoulder throw" meant a big name QB mistakenly threw a ball short of the WR's route but the WR bailed him out, stopped on a dime and caught it anyway. Then Dingledorf or his ilk would just blabber on about what a good throw it was to hide it away where the CB couldn't get it....
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I was wondering why we never do that either.
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Default Re: The Back Shoulder Throw

CB & a few others hit on the key aspects of it.

-QB & WR have to really be on the same page to pull it off.

- Your QB has to be accurate as hell & have great arm strength.

- & it's impossible to stop if it's executed perfectly.

Just based on the 1st 2 points, u can clearly see why we don't do it.
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