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Old 08-21-2011   #61
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He'll start. May take him a few reps to get on track.

As someone else said, sweep the neck!
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He will play in the opener. Tony Dungy says that the consecutive games played is more important that any other stats to Payton. Plus there is some sort of rule that if he on PUP in camp and doesn't play the first one, he can't play til week 7 I think. Payton won't let that happen. May not play in game 2-6, but he will play in week one to avoid that issue.
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I just saw on NFL.com where Irsay tweeted that he is down in Mississippi looking for Farve...
Unless Irsay isn't even in Hattiesburg, MS, since you can tweet and say "I'm on the moon!" and there's no way to prove you're not on the moon.

To me, it's more shenanigans by the Colts...they open up at Reliant (again) and will face a strengthened Texans defense that has like 11 sacks in two games already this preseason. Any advantage they can have, they'll take--Which means that tweet might be just a smoke signal meant to give the Texans false confidence.

HOWEVER...it could be true.

Here's the article reporting the so-called Irsay tweet. It has a video with it, which is just a phone call where two analysts break down the situation.

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HATTIESBURG, Miss. -- Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay posted on his Twitter account that he was in Brett Favre's hometown, but the quarterback's agent says he has not heard of any interest from the Colts.

The 41-year-old Favre retired in the offseason after a 20-year career and lives in Hattiesburg. Irsay sent a tweet on Sunday saying "Brad, I'm in Hattiesburg ... is it right or left at the Firechief?"

Through a spokesman, Colts' general manager Chris Polian declined comment on Irsay's tweet.

Though Favre has repeatedly said he's retired during the offseason, any Colts' interest would make some sense. Peyton Manning had neck surgery in May and hasn't played in the preseason, casting doubt on his 227 consecutive games streak.

That's a scary proposition for the Colts, who have little experience behind him.
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He will play in the opener. Tony Dungy says that the consecutive games played is more important that any other stats to Payton. Plus there is some sort of rule that if he on PUP in camp and doesn't play the first one, he can't play til week 7 I think. Payton won't let that happen. May not play in game 2-6, but he will play in week one to avoid that issue.

Seems like a dumb thing to care about, and he's just gonna put his future even more in jeopardy by playing if he still truly is in pain.
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He's going to run out of the tunnel halfway through the 2nd quarter, and rip off his neck brace like a 1980s WWF wrestler...and start whoopin' ass.

To me, the Colts are the sneakiest team out there (other than the Pats). They say one thing, and do another. Mind games.

Hell, the whole Irsay tweet was probably Manning's idea to begin with. "Just do it, Jim. The Texans fans will eat that shit up. Watch 'em guzzle it down. It's gonna' be hilarious. Do it. Hit send. Atta' boy. Now watch the circus. Watch them clap for the bearded lady, Jim. Look at those idiots. Dumbasses."

I don't like snakes. I don't like the Colts. Snakes and colts = bad mojo.
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He's going to run out of the tunnel halfway through the 2nd quarter, and rip off his neck brace like a 1980s WWF wrestler...and start whoopin' ass.

To me, the Colts are the sneakiest team out there (other than the Pats). They say one thing, and do another. Mind games.

Hell, the whole Irsay tweet was probably Manning's idea to begin with. "Just do it, Jim. The Texans fans will eat that shit up. Watch 'em guzzle it down. It's gonna' be hilarious. Do it. Hit send. Atta' boy. Now watch the circus. Watch them clap for the bearded lady, Jim. Look at those idiots. Dumbasses."

I don't like snakes. I don't like the Colts. Snakes and colts = bad mojo.
To me, that's what a front office and a coaching staff are supposed to do. People on this board get irritated with Smithiak when they do it but that's what professional teams are supposed to do. There's not supposed to be "transparency" into NFL front offices and their operations or coaching decisions.
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"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO
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"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO
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He'll start. May take him a few reps to get on track.

As someone else said, sweep the neck!
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"Just win baby"

If that means Peyton has to sit the sidelines, so be it. If we do better with him in the game, then let him play injured.

The Texans have the unusual ability to give backup QBs HOF footage.

I don't want us to get cocky regardless of who is out there. Even DanO
I agree completely. The ONLY thing that matters in this league is scoreboard. There are no asterisks by your wins that Manning wasn't playing.
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To me, that's what a front office and a coaching staff are supposed to do. People on this board get irritated with Smithiak when they do it but that's what professional teams are supposed to do. There's not supposed to be "transparency" into NFL front offices and their operations or coaching decisions.
Completely agree.

My statement was meant to let people know that the Colts are duplicitous and can't be trusted. Their QB, for crying out loud, chews out the asses of his o-linemen when their drive stalls in the last minute of a game that they're already leading 35 to 7. LOL.

Cut throat organization, and I'm not criticizing it. I'm merely saying I won't be caught with my pants around my ankles on this "report" about Manning when he ends up running from the Reliant stadium tunnel during the 2nd quarter, ripping off his neck brace and hitting Kubiak in the back of the head with a roll of quarters balled up in his fist.

These guys are the 4 Horsemen of the NFL, IMO. They will bury you if you let your guard down. It's time for us to go Dusty Rhodes and Terry Funk on their asses.
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My opinion of Manning's injury and its effect on his status is not changed.


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Amid the uncertainty regarding quarterback Peyton Manning's availability for the Indianapolis Colts' Sept. 11 regular-season opener at Houston, Tony Dungy offered a voice of experience.

"Unless he's dead, he'll be under center opening day," the former Colts coach said Sunday night during NBC's "Football Night in America."

It's doubtful Dungy's assessment from afar eased the concerns of all Colts fans. The team returned to the practice field Monday and Manning, still on the mend from May 23 neck surgery, remained on the physically unable to perform list.

Over the weekend, Manning basically ruled himself out of the final two preseason games and emphasized he still has work to do before being cleared by team physicians.

"When I'm healthy enough," he said, "I'll be able to play."

Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday was adamant during training camp that he expects Manning to be ready for the Texans.

Players seemed to mirror Saturday's confidence Monday but stopped short of going on record that Manning will extend his streak of 227 consecutive starts, 208 in the regular season.

"Once he's ready," wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez said, "he'll be out there and we'll obviously be a better team."

Owner Jim Irsay said over the weekend the team is evaluating the quarterback situation, including whether a veteran free-agent should be signed. Neither backup Curtis Painter nor veteran pickup Dan Orlovsky has done anything in preseason losses to St. Louis and Washington to ease concerns he could handle the offense in the short term if Manning's rehabilitation spills into the regular season.

No veteran free agent had been added to the roster by late Monday. That might be an indication that privately the team is confident Manning will be ready for the opener, or that a targeted free agent wasn't interested in being an insurance policy.

If Manning is able to extend the NFL's longest active streak for consecutive starts, the concern will be how long it takes him to get up to speed. Irsay said the league's only four-time MVP "had a really good workout" Saturday and was "making progress throwing the ball," but it's uncertain how much work he has had with receivers.

Manning missed the 2008 preseason after surgery to repair an infected bursa in his left knee. He practiced for the first time the week before the regular-season opener against the Chicago Bears, and the extended inactivity resulted in uncharacteristically uneven play.

As the Colts got off to a 3-4 start, Manning completed 61.1 percent of his passes with 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He then hit his stride, leading the team on a nine-game winning streak to end the season. He won the third of four MVP awards by completing 72.1 percent of his passes with 17 touchdowns and three interceptions over the final nine games.

General manager Chris Polian conceded any missed practice time is detrimental.

"There's an impact for any player when you miss time," he said recently. "We have to understand the timing is going to be an issue. You look back to when he missed time with the knee, you saw it was a work in progress over the course of the season."

During his rehab, Manning has been in meetings. During the lockout and prior to his neck surgery, he gathered his receivers for workouts.

"One thing we always lean on, and the same will be true this year, is we generally have really good offseasons with Peyton and the receivers getting together," Gonzalez said. "With the lockout, we had a lot more freedom. I feel like we got to throw just as much, maybe more than we ever have.

"Rhythm-wise, that's what you fall back on when things come up."
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If I'm remembering correctly, aren't we the team that, despite poor pass rush, has sacked Manning most? I wonder how our aggressive preseason sack campaign plays into his decision, if at all
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If I'm remembering correctly, aren't we the team that, despite poor pass rush, has sacked Manning most? I wonder how our aggressive preseason sack campaign plays into his decision, if at all
If his ego doesn't get in his way like it did with Favre, it will.
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It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand canít grip, your wrist canít flex and your elbow canít extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you arenít ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.
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It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand canít grip, your wrist canít flex and your elbow canít extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you arenít ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.
To a layman like myself, it sounds like this situation has the potential to be a lot worse than is currently being reported.

What was the difference between the two neck surgeries? And what are the implications of being hit with the force that defenders are going to normally go after him as it relates to this injury / surgery?
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Fantasy owners want to know. Will Manning be back? When, and will he get back to his old form?
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It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand canít grip, your wrist canít flex and your elbow canít extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you arenít ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.
If that report is accurate, it could mean is worse than a lot of us expect. Then again, I wouldn't put it past Manning and Indy to float out inaccurate reports. He could train secretly and get back into football shape by himself. COme opening day he puts on his uniform, slings a td to Wayne on the first play, and takes the wind out of the Texans sails.

He may well be hurt, but I won't believe it until I see him standing in street clothes on the sidelines of Game 1.
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I predict PM will be put on reserve PUP (thx for the info AJ)

http://www.examiner.com/houston-texa...orm-pup-list-1

At the end of preseason, if an Active PUP player is still several weeks away from being able to play, the team may place him on Reserve PUP.

Reserve PUP players are not eligible to play for the first six weeks of the season.
Reserve PUP players do not count against the 53 man roster.
Reserve PUP players have a three week window after Week 6 to practice with the team but a roster decision must be made, either to activate to the 53 or to IR the player, within that timeframe.
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As I've posted before, by delaying his surgery(ies) and leaving the cervical nerves compressed for a prolonged amount of time, the predictability following his 3rd surgery (cervical fusion) has been lessened as to how much nerve regeneration and thus function will ultimately return and how long it will actually take for what does return.


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Colts quarterback Peyton Manning already has missed eight games after a pair of neck surgeries. Itís still unknown whether heíll miss eight more. Or even more than that.

Manning made on Tuesday an unexpected appearance in the teamís locker room. And he said heís got more healing to do before he can practice or play.

ďWeíre still waiting for the fusion to take place, itís still going slow and we still have some issues with the regeneration of the nerve,Ē Manning said, according to the Associated Press. ďI still have some restrictions.Ē

Characterized as ďmore seriousĒ in his demeanor than Manning was during his last visit with reporters, Manning opted not to talk about his future or the possibility that the Colts will draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. ďThose are all fair questions, but thatís not what Iím going to talk about right now,Ē Manning said. ďIím thinking about how can I get a little better? [The contract] is really a one-year deal with a four-year extension and that was my recommendation because I wasnít healthy when I signed the contract.Ē

Heís right, but the Colts need to decide by early March whether to kick in the four-year extension by picking up a $28 million option bonus. On Manningís current timeline, the Colts may not be able to make the decision without watching Manning throw, because he may not be able to throw before the 2011 season ends.

Of course, Manning could choose to throw for the team privately, before the 2012 offseason program begins. Or he could choose not to, which would force the team to make a big decision with incomplete information.

Likewise, he could choose to delay until April, May, or beyond the trigger for the $28 million payment. Or he could choose not to, forcing the team to decide whether to cut him, trade him, or pay him.

There will be many unanswered questions as it relates to Manningís playing career, and based on his comments from Thursday the chance heíll never play again canít be completely disregarded. Thereís no pill or exercise for regenerating nerves. If it doesnít happen for Manning, he wonít be able to throw the ball like used to be able to throw the ball.

Hereís hoping that the healing happens. All-time great quarterbacks should be able to leave the game on their own terms.
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