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Old 09-19-2005   #21
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We're going to have to stay with the 3-4. If our defense is subpar now, switching to a 4-3 would make it worse for awhile. Then what do we do with guys like Babin, Peek, and Anderson all DEs in college converted to OLB for the 3-4. Either way, Pburnt is still going to get burned and thrown at all season until he can make a play. How many passes and TDs has Buchanon given up in 2 games?
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They would play DE and some OLB. Subpar now - couldnt be much worse if we switched. Not that I think its going to happen anytime soon.
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i think our personnel better fits the 4-3, with the exception of LB depth. peek & babin are pass rushers, they're just undersized. 10-15lbs in the offseason puts them at the same size as kearse, freeney, rice, taylor, etc. wong & greenwood are flexable, they'll fit in either scheme. the biggest advantage IMO would be sliding gary walker to the LE spot where he's going to see a lot more one on ones and payne still ties up 2 blockers. sign a big name LB and/or CB in the offseason and draft BPA.
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I've been a 3-4 or 46 defense since the Oilers. Keep in mind that Walker went out and Smith did for a while. Our line backers have been shuffled around and I do expect a huge improvement from those guys after the bye. I am much more concerned about Buchanan at the corner. If we had any kind of offense, we would have been in the first 2 games.
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Good point...the key there is that teams that have success with the 3-4 have been running it, drafting for it, and developing guys for many years...Steelers and Patriots are the case in point. It was mentioned during the game by the announcers that Cowher was asked about this very point and he said the absolute key is in drafting over time and being able to develop the players in the correct mold. I think we can ID 4 impact defensive players that we really missed the boat on (Sharper, Glenn, Foley, Posey). 3 of the 4 are starting and are significant players for playoff level teams.

PS...if we do switch to the 4-3 (which wouldn't hurt my feelings) then I highly recommend we do a double Ohio State dip with Hawk and Carpenter in the rounds 1 and 2. Heck...I would pick-up either one of those guys even if we don't switch to the 4-3.
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what's all this, it takes 4-5 years to get a good 3-4 defense in place ?

San Diego did it very well last year, and Dallas has switched to it and used it well this year.

Here's the obvious point. Capers' 3-4 scheme is inferior to the other 3-4 defenses in the league. Its a FACT. He doesn't attack very much at all, and consistenly relies on minimal guys rushing the passer.

Another obvious point. Casserly is not good at getting the right players to fit the 3-4. San Diego switched well in one year, Dallas looks pretty good in their 3-4. HOUSTON has never gotten a pass-rush from their version of 3-4 in 3 years. Dallas went out and got Spears, Canty, Ware in the last draft. And they all seem to be great picks already. Casserly had a 3 year head start on drafting for the 3-4 and he's failed miserably.
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what's all this, it takes 4-5 years to get a good 3-4 defense in place ?

San Diego did it very well last year, and Dallas has switched to it and used it well this year.

Here's the obvious point. Capers' 3-4 scheme is inferior to the other 3-4 defenses in the league. Its a FACT. He doesn't attack very much at all, and consistenly relies on minimal guys rushing the passer.

Another obvious point. Casserly is not good at getting the right players to fit the 3-4. San Diego switched well in one year, Dallas looks pretty good in their 3-4. HOUSTON has never gotten a pass-rush from their version of 3-4 in 3 years. Dallas went out and got Spears, Canty, Ware in the last draft. And they all seem to be great picks already. Casserly had a 3 year head start on drafting for the 3-4 and he's failed miserably.
Some good points here, and really they are the reason I am not in favor of switching to a 4-3. We have the personnel here to run a 3-4 much better than we have it for a 4-3. Freeney, Peppers, Jason Taylor, etc. don't come along every day. Our problem is not the 3-4. Plenty of teams utilize it very effectively. Our problem is talent evaluation, development, scheme, and coaching adjustments. So rather than fix the wrong problem (by switching to 4-3), I say go right to the root. For the record, I don't really care which defense we use, as long as we get pressure on the QB. I just think we currently are better positioned to do so with the scheme we have in place, if properly run.
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I wish we would blitz with our safetys more.
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Don't get me wrong, the 3-4 is fine...if you can support it with your talent level. The biggest thing that bothers me is that you get pigeon holed into they type of guys you need which will lead you to bypass better athletes.

I think linebacker might be the best example; I you are forced to look at undersized DEs in the draft to fill your OLB role. I happen to think that you should take some good looks at plain old LBs of any stripe with the knowledge that it is easier to get a guy to add 10-15lbs than to teach him how to drop into coverage.

When you have the right personnel the 3-4 is clearly an effective platform to pressure the QB from, it's just building that personnel base.
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If we used more blitz packages we wuldnt have a pressure problem. Dom just is to gutless to allow blitzing and you get picked apart.
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I can't believe anyone is serious about switching to a 4-3 and it being the savior for our defensive woes. This is sad.
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