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Old 07-26-2011   #181
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There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
Dale, I don't disagree with what you're saying in this thread. I think it would be smart to get a two or three very good/quality players that are immediate starters. See Johnathan Joseph + Eric Weddle + whoever... Although you may get more bang for your buck and I think that would be a smart way to go, I think it's harder to accomplish. I think Joseph re-signs with Cincy, Weddle will be hard to get... I think we'll be stuck with Richard Marshal and Gerald Sensabaugh. ugh!

I also agree with your statement about an opposing offense "avoiding Nnamdi" thus taking him out of the play. That's why big boys in the trenches matter so much, they're a part of every single play. With that said, what Nnamdi does is allows our Safeties to focus on other parts of the field and the 4 other Receivers. That will help a ton.

I'll be interested in how Stanford Routt plays these next three years without Nnamdi across the field from him. Raiders just handed him a 3 year $31.5MM contract.

I think the stars are aligned for us to get Nnamdi. He's the exact kind of player that McNair covets. He's an All Pro, best at his position, Great work ethic, smart, literate, quality person, does a TON for the community, and can provide excellent veteran leadership that is desperately needed in our secondary. We've got the capital to sign him. Andre and him are great friends, we just got one of the most respected DC's in the league. I think McNair is going to go after him... it's just a matter of Nnamdi realizing that with him here, Houston is the frontrunner to win our division.

I normally would be against spending this kind of $'s on a 30+ year old player but I think he fits perfectly for what we want and what we need on this team. Additionally, he played sparingly his first 2 seasons and didn't become a full time starter until his 3rd year, 2005. So he's got only 1 year of full time starting experience than Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans and Eric Winston. He's in his prime (not past it) and the Texans are in "WIN NOW" mode over the course of this next seasons and the following 2-3,4 years... that will be the length of his contract.

Come on Nnamdi, just sign on the dotted line. PLEASE
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The big FA's we sign every year?
The FA market, largely due to the CBA being opted out of, has been horrible the past couple years. This is the market that makes up for those last couple awful ones... So, the Texans had better be active!
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Just a quick point I want to make about Aso's health record, since it seems to be brought up quite frequently: All because a player has never had a major injury before does not mean they are immortal. It's football. Things happen. People are going to go crazy if we pay a guy $20 million a year and he breaks a finger or something this year and isn't quite the same, or tweaks his ankle next year and misses some games.

Granted, I wouldn't let the fear of injuries stop me from signing somebody. But if you spend this kind of money on one player and something does happen, you're screwed. End of story.
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I'd be extremely excited if we signed Nnamdi, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Texans targeted and signed two quality CBs such as Joseph and Grimes. That would immediately bolster our secondary, hopefully giving us more salary cap room so that we can sign a safety whom we can play the first game.

If I remember correctly, we haven't really addressed our safety issues yet, and I can't find any info on us signing an UDFA safety.
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When an Aso becomes a FA you MUST put your best offer forward.
Sure. What kind of money in your mind would it take to ensure that your offer is the best offer?
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When an Aso becomes a FA you MUST put your best [for the team] offer forward.
Fixed it for you.

People can disagree on specific numbers but at the end of the day everyone should agree there is a cut-off price on what to pay for one player.
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Mainly, the one thing they can't do, is not participate in this free agency.
Nobody should disagree with this point, even if we all disagree with each other on what they should do, they should avoid being the people who have to sign their back up to the back up to the back up plan for FA.
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Fixed it for you.

People can disagree on specific numbers but at the end of the day everyone should agree there is a cut-off price on what to pay for one player.
I agree. I am not saying we should hand him a blank check. We need to figure out the most we can pay him and then make him that offer. I say he is better than going for a lower quality CB and safty combo.

If we don't get him, we don't get him, but at least shoot for the stars once in a while.
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Nobody should disagree with this point, even if we all disagree with each other on what they should do, they should avoid being the people who have to sign their back up to the back up to the back up plan for FA.
I have defended the organization for not spending money the past two seasons in FA because the market has been so poor... However, this one is great. If they don't spend this year, I'm going to be leading the anti-McNair and Kubiak crowd. True story.
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A Nnamdi Asomugha signing can not only put us in the playoffs or further, but it is flat out the signing of the franchise. You make a franchise with the signing of a Nnamdi Asomugha. You're saying "I know what we need, and I'm getting the best available no matter what."

Signing him is more than just on-the-field change.
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I'd be extremely excited if we signed Nnamdi, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Texans targeted and signed two quality CBs such as Joseph and Grimes. That would immediately bolster our secondary, hopefully giving us more salary cap room so that we can sign a safety whom we can play the first game.
The Texans won't sign 2 FA corners this season unless one of those is Jason Allen. They have too many young corners they want to keep and develope. They can only justify keeping 6 on the roster, and likely 4 of those spots will be taken by KJack, Harris, Carmichael, and McMannis, That leaves us our 1 big FA and either McCain or Allen, hopefully they bring back Allen.

Joseph + Weddle + Midtier CB has a much lower chance of happening than Aso + (Gholdson or Sensebaugh). Even (Joseph or Grimes or Marshall + Weddle) has less chance of happening. As much as I like Weddle, I see him coming here less likely than Nnamdi. There is just too much open market for him and he has zero ties here which is usually our main sticking point for landing FAs.

Edit: I'm wrong you can justify having 7 on the roster, but at max only 6 will be active on gameday. 7 is pushing it though and leaves you weaker somewhere else on the roster
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We have to hope that Kolb gets dealt for Rodgers-Cromartie. It would really help our chase for Nnamdi, since the Eagles would be much more reluctant (or out of the race entirely?) to make an offer on him.
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Just a quick point I want to make about Aso's health record, since it seems to be brought up quite frequently: All because a player has never had a major injury before does not mean they are immortal. It's football. Things happen. People are going to go crazy if we pay a guy $20 million a year and he breaks a finger or something this year and isn't quite the same, or tweaks his ankle next year and misses some games.

Granted, I wouldn't let the fear of injuries stop me from signing somebody. But if you spend this kind of money on one player and something does happen, you're screwed. End of story.
And he's 30 years old and not getting any younger. After 30, that's when the nicks and the "nagging injuries" start to happen. He's on the downside of his career, and with his last big contract, there's no incentive for him to give 100%.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He'll need to have his head examined if he chooses the Texans over a playoff caliber team that has decent chance of going to the Super Bowl. Like Herv said, he'll say all the right things to the Texans, but laugh himself silly under his breath.
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Anyone think that by signing Nnamdi we're not just immediately improving our team and chances to win but changing the way players around the league view us? We look at our roster now and can point to all these players that are ranked near the top of their positions. But there's this stigma about Houston. I think other players this year, next year, etc. would raise their eyebrows and say "damn, Houston is serious." I think it would only raise the interest level of players. But more than that, winning is the biggest thing that will get this franchise respected across the league.
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And he's 30 years old and not getting any younger. After 30, that's when the nicks and the "nagging injuries" start to happen. He's on the downside of his career, and with his last big contract, there's no incentive for him to give 100%.

It doesn't really matter anyway. He'll need to have his head examined if he chooses the Texans over a playoff caliber team that has decent chance of going to the Super Bowl. Like Herv said, he'll say all the right things to the Texans, but laugh himself silly under his breath.

Why would he want to come to a team with fans that have this mentality?

You DO know that Nnamdi Asomugha would be the difference-mak-----ah who cares.
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There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
How is shutting Off a portion of a teams offense a bad thing?
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Jason Allen's not a FA - he's under contract for 2011.

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Seems purely subjective, but I hope he's right.
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