Kareem Jackson's plight.

[76Texan]

The middle safety cuts off the slant route by the TE.

[76Texan]

The RCB comes over all the way to the other side of the field (taking place of the middle safety) to help the LCB.



You can still see the middle safety on the TE underneath.

[76Texan]

The result was an INT.



Heck, if TY Yates can only be so lucky as to play against the Texans!

[TimeKiller]

So it can happen to anyone. It just happened to happen to Jackson more often than anyone.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

So it can happen to anyone. It just happened to happen to Jackson more often than anyone.

And part of the reason why it happened to Jackson more often than anyone is because of the extraordinarily bad safety help.

Not saying he would have been great, but he wouldn't have been anywhere as bad if he had gotten the help he was supposed to have gotten.

[GP]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

And part of the reason why it happened to Jackson more often than anyone is because of the extraordinarily bad safety help.

Not saying he would have been great, but he wouldn't have been anywhere as bad if he had gotten the help he was supposed to have gotten.

To me, it's possible that a lot of what was wrong was really Bush and Gibbs.

I don't think they had our CBs playing the right "style," which might indicate why David Gibbs was axed in K.C. and scurried so quickly to get here. I'm not all that thrilled that we've got Vance Joseph (right?) as our DB coach, just because I view this as David Gibbs version 2.0.

It looked like the CBs were told to read and react, and the Safeties were called upon to bail them out or provide the knockout punch. The safeties and the CBs were prone to looking at each other, pre-snap, and shrugging shoulders and hands/palms turned up as if to say "Hell if I know..." then the ball was snapped and cue the Keystone Cops music.

As much as KJ gets ribbed on here, I happen to think Wade Phillips will correct a lot of what was wrong. And if KJ doesn't catch onto what Wade wants, I think there'll be someone stuck out there whom Wade thinks can do it. I see Wade as being very impartial and very scrutinizing out there. He, of all people, will be under a microscope because his dad is Bum and he also got canned by the 'Boys. He has a lot to prove.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

And part of the reason why it happened to Jackson more often than anyone is because of the extraordinarily bad safety help.

Not saying he would have been great, but he wouldn't have been anywhere as bad if he had gotten the help he was supposed to have gotten.

It's not just the safeties, LBs play an important role in pass coverage as well. Ours weren't very good

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

It's not just the safeties, LBs play an important role in pass coverage as well. Ours weren't very good

Speaking of LB's I seem to remember Rolando McClain was like a vacuum cleaner sweeping up the trash in front of Kareem @ Alabama. Then Javier Arenas being the secondary playmaker & return guy. With Mount Cody clogging two or three guys in the trenches so Jackson had some support, maybe too much in Nick Sabin's system.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

It's not just the safeties, LBs play an important role in pass coverage as well. Ours weren't very good

You aint ****tin .... RB's and TE's had their way with this defese underneath.

Im really concerned with the LB's in this 3-4 we'll see this year with Barwin and MW on the outside.
Teams will find a way to force them to cover or exploit their un-willingness to do so.

Cushing wasnt good in coverage at all last season ... Sure he had INT's in his rookie season but those were more a result of his being in the right place at the right time rather than coverage ability.

Ryans ..... who knows how he's going to look coming off of this injury , he wasnt a world beater in coverage to begin with. Not bad just not great either.

They sure better improve the back end of this defense and hope like hell they can put a lot of pressure on opposing QB's because of the above.


I wonder how much of the LB's issues with coverage was scheme related and how much is just lack of ability in that particular skill. We'll have to wait to find out.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Regardless.

We aren't saying Jackson played like the best corner in the league.

We aren't saying that Jackson doesn't have room to improve.

All we are saying, is that he played like we expected a rookie to play.

Anyone else, expecting anything else just aren't being realistic.

Ok see there. thats what i mean, and he did. I am not saying he wont improve but last season as far as CBs go he was the demise of the secondary. No photos/stats can prove he was better than he was. We can try to throw all the blame on the safties and coaches but the fact of the matter is that Quinn and D-Rob played with the same safties the year before and looked like a number 1 ranked secondary compared to last seasons defense. So what was the difference between the 2009 and 2010 defense. ONE thing that was take out D. Rob and add Jackson. Everything else was the same.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Ok see there. thats what i mean, and he did. I am not saying he wont improve but last season as far as CBs go he was the demise of the secondary. No photos/stats can prove he was better than he was. We can try to throw all the blame on the safties and coaches but the fact of the matter is that Quinn and D-Rob played with the same safties the year before and looked like a number 1 ranked secondary compared to last seasons defense. So what was the difference between the 2009 and 2010 defense. ONE thing that was take out D. Rob and add Jackson. Everything else was the same.

No one is placing the blame all on the coaches and or safeties ..... the whole lot of them sucked last season which is why both safeties were released , the best corner is slated to move to FS and .... how many draft picks were used on the secondary ? How many FA's will be added to the secondary to fill out the roster ?


They all sucked ....and at least two of them get to go play hide the sausage elsewhere.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

No one is placing the blame all on the coaches and or safeties ..... the whole lot of them sucked last season which is why both safeties were released , the best corner is slated to move to FS and .... how many draft picks were used on the secondary ? How many FA's will be added to the secondary to fill out the roster ?


They all sucked ....and at least two of them get to go play hide the sausage elsewhere.

i know my point was that we had all the same defense in 2009 and they werent to bad, then we plug in k. jac to D-Robs spot and we go to NEARLY one of the worst secondaries in NFL history.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

You aint ****tin .... RB's and TE's had their way with this defese underneath.

Im really concerned with the LB's in this 3-4 we'll see this year with Barwin and MW on the outside.
Teams will find a way to force them to cover or exploit their un-willingness to do so.

Cushing wasnt good in coverage at all last season ... Sure he had INT's in his rookie season but those were more a result of his being in the right place at the right time rather than coverage ability.

Ryans ..... who knows how he's going to look coming off of this injury , he wasnt a world beater in coverage to begin with. Not bad just not great either.

They sure better improve the back end of this defense and hope like hell they can put a lot of pressure on opposing QB's because of the above.


I wonder how much of the LB's issues with coverage was scheme related and how much is just lack of ability in that particular skill. We'll have to wait to find out.

I think the 5 -2 will disrupt QB and I think our new CB free agent and Quinn at FS will slow the passing game. I am very concerned about our LBs in coverage. Maybe there will be "bend" but no "break."

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

No one is placing the blame all on the coaches and or safeties ..... the whole lot of them sucked last season which is why both safeties were released , the best corner is slated to move to FS and .... how many draft picks were used on the secondary ? How many FA's will be added to the secondary to fill out the roster ?


They all sucked ....and at least two of them get to go play hide the sausage elsewhere.

And this is exactly why I believe Wade Phillips will go free agency strongly for a corner and probably a safety depending on ASo signing.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

We can try to throw all the blame on the safties and coaches but the fact of the matter is that Quinn and D-Rob played with the same safties the year before and looked like a number 1 ranked secondary compared to last seasons defense. So what was the difference between the 2009 and 2010 defense. ONE thing that was take out D. Rob and add Jackson. Everything else was the same.

The biggest difference between the 2009 defense & the 2010 defense was that the coaches played aggressively for 4 Qtrs in 2009. Maybe for a half in 2010. When they played aggressively, they allowed our team to make up the 30 point differential. They were either shutting people down, or drastically slowing them down for that qtr & a half people were going gaga over the offense.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

The biggest difference between the 2009 defense & the 2010 defense was that the coaches played aggressively for 4 Qtrs in 2009. Maybe for a half in 2010. When they played aggressively, they allowed our team to make up the 30 point differential. They were either shutting people down, or drastically slowing them down for that qtr & a half people were going gaga over the offense.

Some of that may be true, but there was an obvious difference in the way our secondary performed with K. Jack instead of D. Rob.

[steelbtexan]

Jacksons plight?

Did he fall down again?

I expect Jackson to improve alot. He will probably end up playing in the dime defense. The CB group will end up looking like this. IMHO

FA CB, Allen, Harris (nickle) Jackson/Carmicheal (Fighting it out for the dime)

Harris will be starting over Allen by mid season. I'm really high on Harris.

[leebigeztx]

Those screen sshots really point out what I've said about shaub having slow feet and accuracy issues. This is abouut jackson, so let me stick with the topic.

Jax didn't play well, but the lbs,safeties, nor rush did him any favors. Against dallas, he was trying to press roy on a slant route. Roy beat the slant, and there wasn't a single lb or safety to squeeze the window. Unless you have deion at cb, non covering lbs and safeties are bigger issues against the pass than a corner. The best defenses in the league against the pass have front 7 people who can pressure and cover windows. Timmons-farrior in pitt and lewis-johnson combo in balt. When tb was really good defensively, brooks and quarles were great in the middle of the field. When the pats had top 5 defenses, vrable,bruschi,colvin,and mcginnis ,batted,tiped,and made the qb throw through bodies. The texans don't have 1 good cover lb. Ryans gave up the same seam route to davis 1 game. Remember when gates went from unknown to superstar vs the texans? Who kills the texans more than clark? What about zack miller from the jags last year? Until the texans lbs get a clue about rutes, they can sign nitrane lane and it wouldn't matter.

[DocBar]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Jacksons plight?

Did he fall down again?

I expect Jackson to improve alot. He will probably end up playing in the dime defense. The CB group will end up looking like this. IMHO

FA CB, Allen, Harris (nickle) Jackson/Carmicheal (Fighting it out for the dime)

Harris will be starting over Allen by mid season. I'm really high on Harris.

Me too. I was stunned when they traded back into the 2nd to get him. Smith just doesn't pull off steals like that very often. I'm very hopeful for Carmichael, also. I really liked what I read/saw of him after the draft. Supposed to be another high effort guy who will put in the work and study time to improve his game.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

i know my point was that we had all the same defense in 2009 and they werent to bad, then we plug in k. jac to D-Robs spot and we go to NEARLY one of the worst secondaries in NFL history.

So you assume that every player plays the same every year?
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!

If Pollard and Wilson had played as "well" as they did in 09, we wouldn't have seen much of Nolan, and the two of them would still have their job.

Wade: "Hey boys, I see that you guys are still playing great and Jackson sucked, so I think it's best to let you walk so that my team continues to suck with Jackson."

Yeah, right!