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Old 09-20-2005   #21
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..I can't count how many times Mckinney gets pushed back into Carr and Carr has to scramble. The wings are already closed off if he drops back and with Mckinney being pushed back that doesn't leave much for a passing lane, his vision is severely narrowed when the pocket is like that. Now that Palmer is gone we are slowly exposing what the real problems are. Sure you can get rid of Capers or even Carr for that matter but the problem will still be here.....we have no line. We can't even push anyone around using a Strong formation with 3 TE's. That was sad.
Casey Hampton used Mckinney like he was a tampon. It got so bad that I thought Mckinney look bloodied, until I realized that it was only part of the uniform. Mckinney sucks....
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But NOW . . . he doesn't. And the multi-million dollar question is . . . is it possible for him (or anyone for that matter) to get it back once you've lost it?

I've never heard of that happening. If you have . . . please enighten me.
Any QB that is put in a poor position to succeed will eventually perform to the level of the talent around him. What I see from Carr is the unwillingness to stand there and get pounded when he knows he can just take off and run it for at least a few yards and maybe dodge a hit or two. When Carr feels confident that his teammates will perform up to par, then he'll stop worrying about the hits and start playing QB. So yes, I think he can get it back. Whether he does or not remains to be seen and is as much a product of what coaching he and his teammates receive this year. Historically speaking, things like this have happened before. Plunkett was completely written off after playing on some horrid NE and SF teams in the '70s. Once he made it to a team that didn't suck, he stepped up and became the QB that everyone thought he could have been his entire career. Steve Young is a slightly different case, but after his success in the USFL, he lost favor in TB and was thought to not be the future of that franchise.

Realistically, Carr still has a chance to be the QB that the franchise hoped he could be, but as is the case with every player in the NFL, he has to be put in a position to succeed. Good coaches play to the strengths of their players and work to mitigate their weaknesses. Coming out of college, Carr's scouting report stated that he had a tendency to hold on to the ball too long (thanks to Vinny for posting that report). That can be construed as a competitor trying to make things happen, or it can be viewed as poor decision-making. The truth is, it all depends on the results, which in turn depend on the situation in which a player is placed. The team knew one of his weaknesses and they have done precious little to mitigate that weakness.
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By the way all you Carr-haters...who leads the league in interceptions? *cough* Culpepper *cough*
Joey had a 5 INT game last week as well. However, people will never realize how terrible he is and will still whine and whine and whine about Carr around here.
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Suzie Kohlber, the cool sideline reporter for Monday Night Football, told Al and John upstairs that Eli's teammates were very confident in him this year, and she said (Gasp!) that Eli calls MOST of the plays himself.

There is a direct correlation to the success of Peyton, who calls most of his own plays, and the early success of Eli Manning who has his team at 2-0 in only his second year of being an NFL QB.
99.9% chance Kolber is wrong. Eli MAY call plays in the same fashion most NFL QB's do (which is not really at all, but with audible options). Peyton does not even call his own plays it has oftened been commented that Peyton is the only NFL QB with as much discretion as he has. Peyton receives 3 plays from the OC--generally 2 passing plays and one running play. Peyton tells all three to the offense then lines up and has to adjust at the LOS and designate which one they are actually going with, hence all the gesticulating. Most QB's including Carr have audible options but contrary to what Kolber is trying to sell that isn't the same as the QB calling the plays.
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but contrary to what Kolber is trying to sell that isn't the same as the QB calling the plays.

Man what IS IT WITH YOU? You're messing up all my illusions about NFL quarterbacks!

Next you're going to tell me something crazy like Peyton doesn't create the plays right then and there by drawing them in the dirt.
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Some tell me what he did that was all that bad, on sunday?
Are you asking yourself?
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Some tell me what he did that was all that bad, on sunday?
I like David, but his "pocket presence" was about as bad as it gets. That first fumble he had he just ran right into the dude. He also ran right into Polapolooza when DD tried to push him around. Carr made it way harder on himself than it really was.
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99.9% chance Kolber is wrong. Eli MAY call plays in the same fashion most NFL QB's do (which is not really at all, but with audible options). Peyton does not even call his own plays it has oftened been commented that Peyton is the only NFL QB with as much discretion as he has. Peyton receives 3 plays from the OC--generally 2 passing plays and one running play. Peyton tells all three to the offense then lines up and has to adjust at the LOS and designate which one they are actually going with, hence all the gesticulating. Most QB's including Carr have audible options but contrary to what Kolber is trying to sell that isn't the same as the QB calling the plays.
Exactly. Good post.

People act like it's true "because I saw it on TV!"

IMO, the team threw DC to the wolves in seasons 1 & 2. It doesn't take a football guru to realize that starting a rookie QB behind a completely unproven OL is probably not the smartest move. We should have let Banks get hit with all those sacks the first two years and saved our franchise QB for a team that has it together.

Personally, I think DC is shell shocked right now, and he is resorting to his instincts and tendencies from his college days. He's never had the chance to truly develop his NFL QB skills, as various aspects of the team have been poor to weak, at best.

I don't blame DC for this...as any QB thrown to the wolves would have suffered the same fate the first two years. This is a coaching/front office decision, IMHO. We might never realize the true potential of DC, after all the abuse he's taken for the past 3+ seasons.
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I like David, but his "pocket presence" was about as bad as it gets. That first fumble he had he just ran right into the dude. He also ran right into Polapolooza when DD tried to push him around. Carr made it way harder on himself than it really was.
You hit it on the head. I belive it was two sacks by Pomamalu where he was coming from the left side of the line and DD blocked him to the outside. And where does David move? To the outside. His footwork is awful.

Maybe we need to send him to a honkey tonk in H Town and get his two step down.
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