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Old 05-04-2011   #21
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Can we make the playoffs with the Number 1 offensive .......

the chargers had it last yeah BUT !!!! they had poor special teams prob worse then ours

Arozina and Greenbay had pretty explosive offensives has well
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Can we make the playoffs with the Number 1 offensive .......

the chargers had it last yeah BUT !!!! they had poor special teams prob worse then ours

Arozina and Greenbay had pretty explosive offensives has well
Arizona had an explosive offense last year? Only when they were on the toilet. Green Bay won the SB......
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The Texans were never in that game in Tennessee. And if a couple of plays weren't made in the Washington or Kansas City games, the Texans record could have been even worse. Playing the coulda-woulda-shoulda game is misleading. The Texans didn't look remotely like a playoff team in 2010.

The Texans defense could finish in the top 16, but have a different wheel fall off in 2011. This team doesn't know how to win. And in virtually every game they play, the head coach is over matched. Will that ever change? When it does, I'll vote "yes".
I agree. Even with solid offensive and defensive units, I'm still not believing that Kubiak is a good head coach with regards to making decisions during the heat of the moment in games.

I voted "yes" to the poll only because it says "could". Sure they could make the playoffs. If it was "will" they make the playoffs, I'd vote either unsure or no.
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Ok, suprisingly hard to find points scored and points allowed by year (I didn't look that hard).

To me, the ONLY stats that matter are points scored and points allowed. As Madden would say 'the team that scores more points is going to win this one!'

Picking apart every little stat will make your head spin and cause arguments.

I think we were 3rd last year in point scored and 29th in points allowed? I assume if we were 16th in points allowed, then our average point scored would be greater than our average points allowed, meaning we win more games.

I really wish I could find those stats.

For some teams these stats are off because of a few oddball games. But other than Rusty Smith those stats are pretty telling for us, and that's ignoring the lack of offense against Dallas and NYG.
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Ok, suprisingly hard to find points scored and points allowed by year (I didn't look that hard).

To me, the ONLY stats that matter are points scored and points allowed. As Madden would say 'the team that scores more points is going to win this one!'

Picking apart every little stat will make your head spin and cause arguments.

I think we were 3rd last year in point scored and 29th in points allowed? I assume if we were 16th in points allowed, then our average point scored would be greater than our average points allowed, meaning we win more games.

I really wish I could find those stats..
Offense points scored 2010 - 24.4 ppg
16th Defense points allowed 2010 - 21.6 ppg
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Offense points scored 2010 - 24.4 ppg
16th Defense points allowed 2010 - 21.6 ppg
TY (rep if it'll let me).

Then I assume barring an odd year with lopsided scores that yes, if the offense holds steady and the defense plays average we make the playoffs.
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Offense points scored 2010 - 24.4 ppg
16th Defense points allowed 2010 - 21.6 ppg
Texans Offense points scored 2009 - 24.2 ppg
Texans Defense (17th) points allowed 2009 - 20.8 ppg

And of course, no playoffs. There's something to be said about finding a way to win or finding a way to lose. We know what the Texans are better at.
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Texans Offense points scored 2009 - 24.2 ppg
Texans Defense (17th) points allowed 2009 - 20.8 ppg

And of course, no playoffs. There's something to be said about finding a way to win or finding a way to lose. We know what the Texans are better at.
That was the year of the half-back pass and inability to get 1 yard. It was a very sad year and touche' on your counterpoint to my point.
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Arizona had an explosive offense last year? Only when they were on the toilet. Green Bay won the SB......
i meant when they had Kurt warner
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Texans Offense points scored 2009 - 24.2 ppg
Texans Defense (17th) points allowed 2009 - 20.8 ppg

And of course, no playoffs. There's something to be said about finding a way to win or finding a way to lose. We know what the Texans are better at.

This.

I think we could make the play-offs...

But regardless, Kubiaks offenses have still not preformed at an elite level. Sure they have put up numbers, but they still have lacked in the area of performing when it matters most. Not sure how anyone can dispute that.
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I think think the defense being historically bad has overshadowed how bad special teams were...

Punt Distance 26th
Punt Coverage 10th

Kick Distance 9th
Kick Coverage 26th

Kick Return 27th
Punt Return 29th

Field postion was terrible all year for both sides of the ball. Improving this will help our defense and offense.
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Ok, suprisingly hard to find points scored and points allowed by year (I didn't look that hard).

To me, the ONLY stats that matter are points scored and points allowed. As Madden would say 'the team that scores more points is going to win this one!'

Picking apart every little stat will make your head spin and cause arguments.

I think we were 3rd last year in point scored and 29th in points allowed? I assume if we were 16th in points allowed, then our average point scored would be greater than our average points allowed, meaning we win more games.

I really wish I could find those stats.

For some teams these stats are off because of a few oddball games. But other than Rusty Smith those stats are pretty telling for us, and that's ignoring the lack of offense against Dallas and NYG.
PPG isn't the best stat to measure how good a specific offense or defense is because special teams scores and defensive scores would go towards the points scored per game (Which people would chalk up to the offense being good), as well as the defense getting charged with allowing fumble/pick 6's returned for TD's when we are on offense as well as if our special teams allowed a return TD.

Basically saying an offense or defense is this good because they get X yards a game or X points a game is flawed since we all know that many different things go into a good offense or defense. Think about this, how many short fields did our offense see last year as opposed to 2009? I know our ST unit in 2009 was not the dismal failure it was in 2010 (As long as you forget how terrible Kris Brown was) in terms of field position. It's a lot harder to find a team with a huge positive ratio in the turnover department that didn't go to the playoffs than it is to find a team with a positive ratio for points scored per game : points allowed per game.
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