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Old 04-29-2011   #201
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My comments aren't negative in a personal way..I like the guy alot...but I saw him play TCU and saw alot of his stuff and tall before that game. He has alot of good qualities but it isn't a slight to question where he will fit in this sceme and if there were better options. I think everyone does this at this point. I'm reading about Tyron Smith being the next Alex Barron on the Cowboy board.
I was actually replying to the link CnD posted with people whining and crying at the chron.com

He fits our scheme perfectly, and allows us flexibility in how we utilize MW. To generate a pass rush all game you have to have a solid rotation of guys, and now we have that at DE, and we can move MW outside in obvious passing situations. I think MW becomes our version of Ware, where he gets moved outside but rushes 90% of the time.

I'd love to see our nickel D be a 2-4-5 with Watt and Smith inside, MW, Brawin/Anderson outside, Meco and Cush with 5 DBs (hopefully a few new ones)

One thing I can't understand is that fans have blasted us in the past for drafting for need and in some cases reaching for need, and this year we go BPA and people are slamming us for not filling needs at OLB and DB. I did not want Prince. There was a great article several weeks ago looking at how the top CBs performed against top level competition and Prince did not fare well at all. Harris did and he might be there for us in rd 2. I would have been happy with Quinn, but a lot of guys thought he was better suited for a 4-3, similar to Kerrigan. I like Fairley, but I don't think he fits our scheme.
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FO might be scared of taking Quinn who sat out a entire year and doesnt know how he could pan out possibly be an Okoye type player.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.
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Lets face it Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the nation. We will draft there players because of this.

Get down off the grassy mound conspiracy theorists.
Simmer down, that was typed with tounge firmly in cheek.
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I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.
I would love Mario to be a Ware type player and with Watt that makes that possible
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Surprise! Solomon didn't especially like the pick.

Fairley sure Auburn star a wiser pick
Too white. Fairley isn't a 3-4 guy.
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I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think you also have to consider his medicals. I think Mario becomes our Ware type player. There are also some good pass rushers still out there.

The other thing I love about the Watt pick is he is relatively new to the position. I think he is just scratching the surface of his potential.
I dont know if Mario has Ware's first step. I'm curious to find out, and if Wade thinks he can I'll give themt he benefit of the doubt for now. It's something to watch in the OTAs and training camp.
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Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

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Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.
Would you like a reach on one of the risky 3-4 olb's in the first? Alot of talent but some of the guys have MAJOR red flags. Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player. We don't draft those often.
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I was actually replying to the link CnD posted with people whining and crying at the chron.com

He fits our scheme perfectly, and allows us flexibility in how we utilize MW. To generate a pass rush all game you have to have a solid rotation of guys, and now we have that at DE, and we can move MW outside in obvious passing situations. I think MW becomes our version of Ware, where he gets moved outside but rushes 90% of the time.

I'd love to see our nickel D be a 2-4-5 with Watt and Smith inside, MW, Brawin/Anderson outside, Meco and Cush with 5 DBs (hopefully a few new ones)

One thing I can't understand is that fans have blasted us in the past for drafting for need and in some cases reaching for need, and this year we go BPA and people are slamming us for not filling needs at OLB and DB. I did not want Prince. There was a great article several weeks ago looking at how the top CBs performed against top level competition and Prince did not fare well at all. Harris did and he might be there for us in rd 2. I would have been happy with Quinn, but a lot of guys thought he was better suited for a 4-3, similar to Kerrigan. I like Fairley, but I don't think he fits our scheme.
I actually think some of the blasting is for thinking Watt wasn't BPA and that guys like Fairley and Quinn were better overall players. The thinking being Watt was the safe pick. Just from what I'm reading. My concern is he going to get caught up in traffic in the 3-4. Some of the highlight stuff I watched and some other pieces shows him not even getting touched on plays...like blocked.. so I'm not sure how he will do with a big body getting to him in the NFL. I like him overall though.

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I dont know if Mario has Ware's first step. I'm curious to find out, and if Wade thinks he can I'll give themt he benefit of the doubt for now. It's something to watch in the OTAs and training camp.
I could be wrong but my initial answer is their first step isn't close. I remember when we got Ware and the guy was known for bending on the edge and his quick step. The guy gets off the line. Mario isn't slow but I find him or of a size/moves guy than a speed guy. He doesn't have the lean.
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Simmer down, that was typed with tounge firmly in cheek.
Hard to tell the tongue in cheekers from the genuine haters.

There are people out there who talk way too much nonsense and to those people these things need to be said.
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Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player. We don't draft those often.
Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player, who just happens to be a very gifted athlete still learning his position.

Don't undersell the guy.
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Fairley isn't a fit, even in hybrid 3-4, but Quinn was. Fairley is a great fit in Detroit playing alongside Suh. Two DTs with mean streaks. Suh will push Fairley similar to how the Texans hope Watt's energy will push Mario.

The Rams really lucked out with Quinn dropping to them.
Quinn was risky for us. With our curse, I wouldn't want to risk it.

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Is Wisconsin becoming the new Colorado State?
God, I hope so. They have good players.
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Hard to tell the tongue in cheekers from the genuine haters.

There are people out there who talk way too much nonsense and to those people these things need to be said.
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God, I hope so. They have good players.
Agreed, I'd have no problems with a trend of drafting Wisconsin players.
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I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.
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Watt was safe and a lunchpail type football player, who just happens to be a very gifted athlete still learning his position.

Don't undersell the guy.
I love the pick. He was 3rd on my list, after Miller and Peterson. This is a 290lb guy they worked out at OLB at the combine. Freak athlete with a blue collar attitude.
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Are the Texans flying Watt and his family down to Houston today to introduce him like they do every year with thier top pick ?
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Are the Texans flying Watt and his family down to Houston today to introduce him like they do every year with thier top pick ?
Yes. He tweeted that he was boarding a flight earlier this morning.
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I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.
He was the BPA and should be a great player.

The only problem I have is with AS and MW as the DEs, he is the closest thing this defense has to a luxury pick.

Fairley could have been a monster as our jay Ratliff
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I wonder how many of those making negative comments have actually seen him play?
Most people that dislike the pick have said he is a hard worker and a good player. That is not the problem.

The problem lies with the fact that we have 2 very good DE's already and nothing to solve our OLB and secondary issues or even DT.
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I don't think anyone grumbling about the pick is grumbling that JJ Watt will be a bust. I love his attitude, work ethic, and underrated athleticism, but this pick just screams SAFE. And again, not that there's anything wrong with going with the safe pick, but I was ecstatic that the Texans had the opportunity of drafting Nick Fairley.

We can talk all we want about Mario's inability to consistently get to the QB, whether it be lack of effort or due to injury, but the push up the middle is something that opposing QBs have never had to deal with against this team. Having someone that is able to consistently collapse the pocket from the inside would help out Mario and Antonio immensely, as the QB then has to either take a few steps back or run into one of the DE's waiting arms.

I guess I just see NT as our biggest area of need, as the Amobi Okoye project is running out of "potential," and I'm not sold on Mitchell being much of a playmaker at the position.
Fairley is not a NT. If you asked him to take on double teams every play and eat space he would instead take to eating double cheeseburgers.

I expect him to succeed because he is in a great situation for him, being next to Suh and Van Denbosch, two guys who will beat the #(*% out of him if he slacks off or complains.
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Yeah, safe pick, workout warrior.

I wanted a difference maker,

Disruptive force,

Quick first step,

Who blows up plays.

Oh, well. Too bad this is worst linebacker & safety class in years...just our luck.
Have you not seen Watt play? Dude is in the backfield on the majority of the snaps. That is what the Texans got....

Why cannot people see this?
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