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Old 04-29-2011   #161
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JJ Watt was ranked TENTH best overall prospect in this years NFL draft by ourlads scouting service. Justin Houston & Akeem Ayers are still on the board they are rated #2 & #3 OLB's. CB wise its Aaron Williams & Brandon Harris. Those are the four names to keep an eye on in the 2nd rd.
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I can't believe I am about to say this, but I love the pick! The Texans actually got one right - probably because this was Wade's pick. I don't like Wade that much as a HC, but you can't argue with his success as a DC and he knows how to pick players for his D. My guess is sans Wade, they would have taken Prince. Thank goodness they didn't make that mistake.

I admit I would have taken Quinn, but Watt was my 2nd choice. I did not want Prince or Fairley. I saw too many red flags, and they are boom or bust. And truth be told Quinn has medical red flags as well, and he is boom or bust too, but I just have a gut feeling that Quinn is going to be special. I was also thrilled when SF took Aldon Smith. I didn't like him at all.

Watt, while maybe the safest pick in the draft is also perhaps one of the better picks in the 1st round. Safe doesn't always mean bad. The guy has one of the highest floors in the draft imo. I would be absoutely shocked if he is not a 10+ yr impact starter. And with the busts this team has taken year after year on defense, you have to like that. Smithiak simply does not have a clue on how to draft defense. Wade's biggest contribution may be in getting some real talent in here on defense.

And whomever said this means the end of Mario is smoking crack. That is not going to happen. But I do think this means the likely end of Babyface Okoye. I don't know if he has any value, but if they could salvage a 4th or 5th rd pick in this draft for him, I would take it as they may be forced to just release him otherwise.
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J.J. Watt was the most overlooked Defensive Lineman in the entire draft.

The Texans played this one close to the chest and came away with a 10 year starter that should notch a few pro bowls as well.

Watt is a model of consistency and work ethic, there probably wasn't another DL/DE in the draft more ready to contribute on the NFL level than him. Love the pick.

Now go get Rahim Moore/Quiton Carter and Akeem Ayers/Justin Houston and call it a day.
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OK. I'm sure someone was having that conversation... but I don't remember that. I don't know that there is any position other than maybe kicker that you don't take with the number 1 pick. I mean a few years ago RBs were always taken in the first 3 or 4 picks... now they are less of a commodity... the game changes and people move up the boards. You don't take a DT with a top 3 pick either. If you are watching someone and they are saying "that's not good value" for that pick... Ingram was GREAT value at 11...

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Very good argument, the NFL does change over time. Hopefully we'll see something we've never seen out of 3/4 DEs in 2011 that will justify it.
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In two years, more fans will know who Fairley & Quinn are than Watt.

Quinn scarred me because:

A) He missed a whole year of football
B) He is only 20
C) He has a brain tumor

I know the tumor SHOULD be ok, but when you are a cursed team, ala us, you don't temp fate by drafting a player that could have his career over at any second.

I like Fairley a lot, but he isn't a 3-4 player. He is a 4-3 tackle.

All in all, I like the pick.
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While you search for video to verify the claim, use google and find media coverage second guessing the move when the Patriots made it. You'll find quotes from Belichick himself discussing the defensive changes.

3-4 ends don't fill the box score, but great ones make it possible for the LBs to swoop in and get the glory. You can't measure Seymour's impact on the Pats defense by his sack totals. But he was the core of that machine for quite a while.
I understand that.

For the job you are asking them to do, you can normally get those guys much later in the draft. With Mario & Antonio, even Okoye rotating in.... I don't think any player can do that job that much better than those three guys to justify 1 pick outside of the top 10.

We just drafted Igor Olshansky with the #11 pick.

That's all I'm saying.
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Obviously, judging by what I just said, I dont agree with this at all. We desperately need to upgrade the position through the draft IMO.
I don't believe "new" equals upgrade. If we're talking 2nd round talent, Barwin is second round talent. Anderson is a former 1st rounder (I think).

2nd round prospects from this years draft isn't an instant upgrade IMO.
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I think having Gabbert and Locker taking snaps as rookies in our division is going to help us a lot more than any player we could have drafted.
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I don't believe "new" equals upgrade. If we're talking 2nd round talent, Barwin is second round talent. Anderson is a former 1st rounder (I think).

2nd round prospects from this years draft isn't an instant upgrade IMO.
Anderson was a 5th rounder.
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J.J. Watt was the most overlooked Defensive Lineman in the entire draft.

The Texans played this one close to the chest and came away with a 10 year starter that should notch a few pro bowls as well.

Watt is a model of consistency and work ethic, there probably wasn't another DL/DE in the draft more ready to contribute on the NFL level than him. Love the pick.

Now go get Rahim Moore/Quiton Carter and Akeem Ayers/Justin Houston and call it a day.
I'm happy about the pick. Aldom Smith was taken I wasn't sold on Prince so I'm good with Watt. But I was really hoping some team was in love with one the remaining qbs and had offered us a bounty of picks. But I'm stil happy with Watt, I think he'll be a good player.
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I frigging love this pick. I'm so happy Watt is the guy. Let's go and get ourselves a stud OLB in the 2nd now!!!
Ya I feel the same as you. Lets get Houston, Reed or Ayers with pick #2. Things will be looking a lot better if we can do that.
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I like this pick. We talked a lot about him over on the College board. This dude's not only a physical freak he's a damn energizer bunny on a gallon of 5 Hour Energy. I'm not just talking about games either. Whether it's lifting, running, practicing or whatever he's doing, it's 100%. Mario best take heed, otherwise, Watt will out hustle him and eventually out play him.

Now, let's all put something in our pipes and dream we get the next 2 right as well. Brooks Reed? Sam Acho? Ayers? Moch? Either way, I hope that's the position we're shootin for with our 2nd.

Again, good pick, Wade. Just keep Smith over in the corner and keep doing what you're doing

*edit* Those mentioning Houston, it's been mentioned he was one that failed his Combine drug test. Odds are the Texans won't touch him
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I think having Gabbert and Locker taking snaps as rookies in our division is going to help us a lot more than any player we could have drafted.
Locker might start for the Tits but I dont see Gabbert starting unless Garrard is injured. He'll have the luxury of holding a clipboard behind a vet for a season or two.
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Ya I feel the same as you. Lets get Houston, Reed or Ayers with pick #2. Things will be looking a lot better if we can do that.
Reed's gonna be gone before we can even sit down to watch the draft.

I want Williams or Moore.
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After sleeping on it, I'm warming up to the pick.

McShay's comments that Watt has the best football instincts of any defensive player in this draft, helped.

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Reed's gonna be gone before we can even sit down to watch the draft.

I want Williams or Moore.
More rookie DB's starting? I'll pass. Other than Peterson, our starting secondary will not get better through this draft. We're going to have to throw a little dough around in FA and nab a vet or two. Will we draft a DB or two? Sure, we do practically every year. Good enough to help this secondary right away? Nope
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More rookie DB's starting? I'll pass. Other than Peterson, our starting secondary will not get better through this draft. We're going to have to throw a little dough around in FA and nab a vet or two. Will we draft a DB or two? Sure, we do practically every year. Good enough to help this secondary right away? Nope
I think A. Williams at FS would help, after that I agree. That does not mean I would be opposed to drafting a CB in the second round.
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So, let`s look at different lineups possible right now:

Watt - Mitchell - Smith
Mario - Cushing - Ryans - Barwin
KJax - Quin - Nolan - Allen

Looks good on the front 7 IF Marion can play OLB. Now let`s look at something else:

Mario - Mitchell - Smith
Cushing - Sharpton - Ryans - Barwin
KJax - Quin - Nolan - Allen

With this we have Watt as the backup of Mario and Smith - keep everyone fresh all the time without losing any production. The question is, how good can Cushing be at OLB.

So, if we see Mario as an OLB, drafting secondary will become a priority. I could even see drafting a NT and being set at the DLine with starters and backups. If neither Mario nor Cushing are projected OLBs, we desperately need an edge rushing OLB NOW. Very little depth and only one starter that`s coming of an injury.
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Surprise! Solomon didn't especially like the pick.

Fairley sure Auburn star a wiser pick
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Mario. Watt/kenrick Ellis. Smith

Barwin. Ryans. Cushing. 2nd round olb/Anderson
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