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Old 09-12-2005   #21
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capers is going down the road if the team goes below 800 ball. i know that to be a fact, can't tell you how i know but i know!! i love Charlie Casserly but capers stinks, if he was so great he'd still be in carolina.
Im writting it again, all preseason coach sat out all of our starting team because in his mind he was trying to evaluate younger players. I called for the coaches job after the Cowboys game due to his failure as a team leader. How dare him say that after our five turnover that we cant have that when for years David Carr has been asking for linemen. Try looking for receivers when 8 players are coming thru your from door to lay you on your back. David all I can do is pray for you not to get hurt which I really did this afternoon, please Bob McNair if you paid 800 million please have the guts to run your team too. Ps.. and what did we get out of preseason evaluation, CC Brown.. Wrong again Coach..
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Ok I finally got my email. This is it wrapped in a nutshell. Remember this is from the most knowledgable Carolina Panthers Football person I know.


Capers did a good job building a team and starting a tradition of excellence, but he was defensive minded and one of the most conservative coaches on the planet. And when the going got tough, he really botched things up.


Is this the point we are at Mr. McNair? I am not positive, but you must consider what went wrong the last time Senor Capers led a team. Why wait until he really botches things up?
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No offense, but that wasn't real insightful.
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Maybe not, however that is exactly what we are going through. Right or wrong?
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Okay then, here is the whole thing:

Harley, it's been a while since Capers so my memory is a little foggy, but here's what I remember: Capers was a good first coach for the Panthers in a number of ways. First, he was a good guy - character first, disciplined, and all that. He fit well with the Richardson's demand for a team, players, and atmosphere that were 'family friendly' and 'community first.' I have good memories by and large of Capers - because let's face it, coming into an expansion franchise as the first coach, you know you're cannon fodder. Capers established a good regimen and a good team. I didn't like the philosophy of "be good right now" where they hired a bunch of fading stars, expensive free agents, at the expense of building through youth. Jacksonville which started the same year went the youth route. Strangely enough they both succeeded quickly with opposing philosophies, and almost met each other in the Super Bowl. What a year that was...

Capers had a very bad year and made some enormous personnel and disciplinary mistakes, the largest of which was the Kerry Collins fiasco. I'll sum it up briefly. I'm a coach and a dad, and we all know that sports can be all consuming and produce powerful emotions. Your star player comes in with the weight of the world on his shoulders after a big loss and says, "Bench me coach, my heart's not in it." What do you do? Well if you can't talk the young man out of his decision right then, any coach worth a damn says, "Okay Kerry I understand, go get a shower, go home. It was a tough day." You send him home and then do nothing.

You pour yourself a big glass of Makers Mark, prop your feet up and watch late night TV. Next morning you go about your business, having said nothing to anyone, you get ready to run practice. Kid comes back in and more than likely he's had a change of heart. The heat of the moment has passed and he's had time to reconsider. He may come in all sheepish or whatever. You put your arm on his shoulder and say, "It's no big deal. We've all had days like that. It's between you and me and as far as I'm concerned it never happened. Your my man, lets go have a good practice."

What did Capers do? He marched down to the reporters and told them what Kerry said. The Panthers lost a talented quarterback, huge sums of money, Kerry was not just demoted, he was cut! and he started drinking much heavier (his DUI was three blocks from my condo at the time after drinking at the Sunset Club; the State Troopers just wait for people coming out of that place, he never had a chance. Why high profile players don't just take private town cars when they go out I'll never understand) and it was the beginning of the end for Capers.

I guess I had more to say than I thought. Capers left and the Panthers brought in Seifert - a man who never connected with the players, who's ideas about football were out-of-sync with reality, and who generally made a huge mess of things. Capers did a good job building a team and starting a tradition of excellence, but he was defensive minded and one of the most conservative coaches on the planet. And when the going got tough, he really botched things up. That's my take on him.
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capers is going down the road if the team goes below 800 ball. i know that to be a fact, can't tell you how i know but i know!! i love Charlie Casserly but capers stinks, if he was so great he'd still be in carolina.
800 ball? So he is fired if they don't win 13 games? Heck, at this rate, I would be happy with 80 ball, much less 800.
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Default Compare and contrast: Capers vs. Andy Reid

Andy Reid, speaking at his press conference after losing by 4 points to the Falcons on Monday night: "I need to do a better job of putting my players in position to make plays on the offensive side of the ball...On the defensive side, I saw some good things.'' (Quoted in postgame recap at sports.yahoo.com)


Dom Capers, speaking at his press conference after losing by 15 points to the Bills on Sunday: "I think David and us haven't been as efficient as we've wanted to be on offense. Over the last two preseason games, we weren't as efficient as we wanted to be. And yesterday certainly wasn't the way we wanted to start out. Am I distressed? No." (Quoted in today's Chronicle online)


I'm definitely not on the "fire Capers" bandwagon, but when I read Reid's comments I couldn't help but notice the acceptance of accountability. Must be nice for the Eagles players to see that attitude.
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As I mentioned in another thread........the Pats have a coach that's similar in his attitude. The Patriots have a calm, collected, not-too-fired up kind of coach, as do the Texans, and the Pats have been the most dominant team in the past 4 seasons, winning 3 of the past for Super Bowls.
The Pats have a coach that's flexible and capable of making effective adjustments on offense. They are multi-dimensional and you could argue that their talent is not that much better than ours on offense. He is the type of coach that Bum Phillips was talking about when he said "he can take your'n and beat his'n..."

The Texans have a coach who's stubborn to a fault with a simplistic, inflexible, and archaic offensive philosophy that obviously doesn't meld with his his offensive coordinator's. After about two Texans offensive plays, an entire offseason of working on shorter timing routes went out the window because the Bills D "took it away."

"Oooh, press coverage with the corners AND a cover 2, what do we do now, Chris?" "Well, we should attack the seam with our tight end but you said to keep him in to block, plus, we really don't have a good tight end because that one we drafted three years ago never panned out." <ten second pause to write notes> "Uh, ok Chris, let's just go back to what we did at Mt. Union and see what happens. Just remember, let's not get too far ahead because we're trying to be within 3 points in the 4th quarter. Talk to you later"
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I saw a coach on the sidelines that told his players (by not going for it on 4th down) that it is ok to loose. I say it is not. We should not go down without a fight. That was pathetic and I dont think I will get over it.

Anyone can sit there with there mouth wide open and not make a difficult descision. The coaching staff should have a well thought out plan of what to do when we are behind by 15 points with 6 minutes remaining. It was not like we needed to make 20 yards it was 4th and inches. If the coaches don't have enough confidence in their players to make that call then they should not be coaching end of story.

I can only speak for myself but I say bring in Jimmy Johnson!!!!
Why punt on 4th down with 5 minutes and some change left.
TRY TO WIN THE D*** GAME! What difference would it make it we didn't make it and they scored. You will get beat 22-7 or 29-7. At least ry to win the game, seems to me that he gave up at that moment!

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I heard this secondhand, but I 'll relate it to you all anyway....

A friend of a friend was at a charity golf tournament a couple of weeks ago and he got paired up with Chris Palmer. This guy was riding Palmer pretty good about the Texans lack of offensive production, when lo and behold, Palmer tried to explain the situation. Palmer said the following...

"It's not my fault. All that Capers wants to do is run, run, run. He wants to control the ball and the clock. I have no say in the matter."

Just thought I'd throw that out here....for what it's worth.
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