Big Board Thread

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by Lucky

It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny!

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

Makes me wonder how he "beefed up" to weigh in (and bench pressed) then pulled out of the combine, citing knee surgery.

It's kind of a red flag to me.

How did he play between 280 and 290 and then weigh in at 307 for the combine just to bench press???

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

modified 2/25 Tyron Smith replaced Nate Solder as top OT prospect

I'm totally against this.
I don't know hos he's going to play at 307 so I cannot project that at all.

As previously stated, IMO, I feel like Peterson is not even worth top 15 and Amukamara should not even be in the first round.

I'm also not comfortable with Harris and Taylor in the first round for different reasons.

Harris had fewer good tapes and more bad tapes than Jackson or McCourty.

Taylor lacks too much in the pass rush department to be projected so high.
In the old NFL where the running game was still much in play, he would stand a better chance; but in today's NFL, investing first round dollar in Taylor is very risky, IMHO.

[beerlover]

Solder is a terrific prospect, may be the best in class, but that is a projection based of measureables. He does not dominate on tape to me more like flashes so the team who drafts him needs to be patient developing him. Not even sure if he should start immediately?

Anybody who didn't know Tyron got scoped has not been paying attention. Pretty standard procedure for lineman to clean up. Smart move, means he's being handled, taking care of himself & will payoff whoever drafts him.

We will see about Taylor. I think he will surprise people.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

How did he play between 280 and 290 and then weigh in at 307 for the combine just to bench press???

Smith will have to be weighed again, prior to running and working out at his pro day. Will Smith be able to keep his weight up? My guess is yes, because he has the frame for it.

It's rare that a college o-lineman comes into the league as a complete player. Joe Thomas and Jake Long, maybe. A guy like Solder will need coaching, for sure. And an offseason without the rookie camps and mini camps will hurt players like him. But does he have the measurables the previous top 10 LT picks had? Yes, he does.

Smith, Solder, and Julio Jones' combines have really improved or solidified their stock. That bodes well for the Texans to have a top defender drop to them at #11.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Smith will have to be weighed again, prior to running and working out at his pro day. Will Smith be able to keep his weight up? My guess is yes, because he has the frame for it.

It's rare that a college o-lineman comes into the league as a complete player. Joe Thomas and Jake Long, maybe. A guy like Solder will need coaching, for sure. And an offseason without the rookie camps and mini camps will hurt players like him. But does he have the measurables the previous top 10 LT picks had? Yes, he does.

Smith, Solder, and Julio Jones' combines have really improved or solidified their stock. That bodes well for the Texans to have a top defender drop to them at #11.

I would agree with this. However, if a team does need a starter @ LT day one then most ready, can't bust prospect is Anthony Castonzo. He reminds me for some reason of Jared Allen, his motor, toughness & determination.

[beerlover]

Re-worked our Big Board. Tell me what you guys think about movement/adjustments. Blue represents rising value. Red signifies drop. unchanged in black.


1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
Needs to be up for discussion. He looks more like a 5 technique DE after watching him in drills & compared to the thicker DT's.
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbsspor...75988/27782334
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Elite. Nothing changed really, looked the part.
3. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Demise greatly exaggerated, showed up @ the combine & looked the part of neighborhood bully. Fluid in all his drills.
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
His big day is coming (Pro-Day) still rehabbing.
5. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Living on game film. fluid. But lacks long speed I thought ran only 4.48. I like him even less than Julio after the combine but its your guys call?
6. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Biggie sized Von Miller, looked smooth & fluid in drills
7. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Inched way closer to AJ for top WR ranking, just killed it, on a broken foot. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...y-on-left-foot
8. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 287
Solid, unbelievable measurable for position (5 tech DE) better character, bloodlines than Fariley.
9. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'5 - 248
lots & lots of baggage. hurt himself in throwing drills @ combine
10. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 246
Good forty time (4.42) but thought his technique work in drills showed some holes, lacks patience. Fools Gold closer to #11.
11. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Actually helped himself by not throwing @ combine compared to others who did & he ran a surprising 4.62 forty. In the end he may be the Texans best shot to move up & dislodge a defensive player down?
12. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
Bigger than advertised. 37" freaking long arms, natural knee bender w/surprising strength & mobility. Another canidate for Top 10 thus bumping another defensive prospect down for Texans.
13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'5 - 290
Ran great, performed well in drills, body looks pumped up.
14. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Not the second best CB in drills. ran great forty (4.43) however, little too stiff in hips, plays high.
15. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
Looks the part of an elite pass rusher.
16. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
Ready to plug-in starting line-up. Great combine, tough.
17. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Know the story once LT's come off board they go in bunches. measured up to billing.
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Looked good in drills showed he can stand-up.
19. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Looked fast/powerful in drills, can provide edge rush, ran 4.83.
20. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
Dropped with slow forty (4.80). Poor technique with start (lost a couple tenths first 10 yards) can improve easy with coaching, once out of blocks he looked fast & smooth. Football skills exhibited in drills superior to Von Miller.
21. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Ran only 4.53 but looked like the best CB of group in drill work. Fluid, good bender that picks up quick instruction.
22. Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois - 6'4 - 250
Welcome addition to Big Board. WOW in drills, his stock could keep rising.
http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/02/...grams-40-time/
23. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Did nothing special expect is exact match to his brother, drafted 18th overall by Pittsburgh who was voted on the Pro-Bowl team.
24. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'3 - 281
Smaller than advertised but faster 4.78. Seems solid all around player.
25. Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple - 6'5 - 305
Smaller school prospect breaking into the Big Board. Big, strong & athletic enough to play 5 technique or NT in a Wade Phillips 3-4.
26. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin - 6"7 - 315
He is not quick, in fact he is kinda slow but he is a workhorse & give 100% effort plus he is a tackle which teams need.
27. Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina - 6'2 - 312
Character concerns aside, he's been penalized despite still under investigation. Should be in top 10 discussion along with Farley & Dareus from talent evaluation stand-point.
28. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'9 1/8 - 215
4.62 forty hurts but did show explosive burst from snap (1st ten yard time) Emmitt Smith comparison still valid but needs similar power style of running game/OL to be that productive
29. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 270
Could stand up & rush the passer but movement out of control will have difficulty dropping into coverage, a liability. Not the ideal 3-4 OLB projected earlier.
30. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 331
Lacks polish but has athletic ability to play LT.
31. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 295
All ready knew he played strong but 49 reps that looked easy? What a bear, could not do drills but can verify he is very agile & athletic.
32. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 334
Leave put, showed well in drills, keeping weight down, could wind up more effective under 330.

dropped out -
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
displayed immaturity & some past personal problems
Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
he actually did ok, but unless a team really needs a QB he should fall into 2nd
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
lost out to Paea in weight room
Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado - 6'2 - 201
Reported did not impress during interviews which was extra important for him given character concerns.
Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 227
Bigger frame than compact Ingram, but not as explosive to LOS, slightly better long speed in weak RB class.

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I'm totally against this.
I don't know hos he's going to play at 307 so I cannot project that at all.

As previously stated, IMO, I feel like Peterson is not even worth top 15 and Amukamara should not even be in the first round.

I'm also not comfortable with Harris and Taylor in the first round for different reasons.

Harris had fewer good tapes and more bad tapes than Jackson or McCourty.

Taylor lacks too much in the pass rush department to be projected so high.
In the old NFL where the running game was still much in play, he would stand a better chance; but in today's NFL, investing first round dollar in Taylor is very risky, IMHO.

Did you watch college football the past 2 years?? He was a top 15 player in the country last year as a soph.