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Old 03-07-2011   #1
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you could sign Asomugha? Trade Mario for draft choices or a combination of draft choices and maybe a solid veteran defensive player. With the money saved sign Nnamdi. I have never been a Mario fan, but I still thinks this makes sense. The only thing is you may not get much for Mario, but even if you don't it frees up money to sign NA. Sorry if brought up already. We also need a 2 or 1A wide receiver to go along with Andre. thanks
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Default Re: Would you trade Mario if it meant........

There's no guarantee that Mario will succeed as a 3-4 DE. The Bruce Smith interview that was referenced on here earlier scared the beejeesus out of anyone who's seen Mario play.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat if it either:

A) Assured me someone like Aso

B) Got me moved up in the draft to take the player (like Miller) that we wanted.

There are MANY 4-3 teams that would give plenty for him, he IS a 4-3 DE Pro-Bowler (and deservedly so).
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you could sign Asomugha? Trade Mario for draft choices or a combination of draft choices and maybe a solid veteran defensive player. With the money saved sign Nnamdi. I have never been a Mario fan, but I still thinks this makes sense. The only thing is you may not get much for Mario, but even if you don't it frees up money to sign NA. Sorry if brought up already. We also need a 2 or 1A wide receiver to go along with Andre. thanks
Mario is going to count about $17 million against the cap this year, his final year under the current contract. If he's traded, the Texans cap will still be impacted by about $8 million as a result of his signing bonus. The most effective way to create room under the cap with Mario is to re-sign him to an extension. I'm not neccessarily in favor of giving him a huge deal, but, from a cap perspective, he could be retained and the Texans could drop their cap number by close to $10 million the first year or two of a six or seven year deal.

Rest easy, though, because I think the Texans have room under the cap to operate and are planning on taking a run at Nnambi, among others.
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Would you trade Mario if it meant........ you could sign Asomugha?
I think everyone here will be willing to trade Mario....... or any other person on this team, as long as it makes the team better.
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Default Re: Would you trade Mario if it meant........

I'd have a hard time doing it. We have way too many question marks in the front seven and well, the defense in general.

I think it's fair to question how well Mario may play in the 3-4 but I have more questions about every single other player on our defense.

Antonio Smith? I love him on this team but he's not exactly the bees knees. pass rushing situations he'll likely move inside in a 4-3... without Mario and Antonio at DE... who is it?

Whose our NT? Earl Mitchell/Shaun Cody

OLB - How will Barwin bounce back from that ankle injury and will that be a recurring problem? Whose our other OLB? Probably 1st or 2nd round rookie.

ILB - How will Demeco come back from injury? Sharpton could be seeing significant playing time early in the season. Is Cushing the other ILB? Looks like so far he is - will he be a probowler there?

Secondary - Alright we've got Asomugha. Our secondary should be much improved but I severely question the pass rush we will be getting. Quin may be moved to Safety? Allen/Jackson as the other CBs? Pick up a SS in the draft I guess.

I would love Aso for this team but with trading Mario we'd have additional holes to fill. We'd "clear" some cap space but we'd need more players to sign and that just creates more burden on the cap. Mario is virtually an every down player and it's unlikey we would find 1 player to replace him... as much as some dislike Mario. If we trade him for draft picks, the CBA is going to have to get done in the next few weeks as the draft is next month... otherwise those picks will be for 2012. Or if we do get it done in time for 2011 draft we could have 3 Rookies playing in the front 7 and 2 players coming off of severe injuries.

Fun to think about but I don't see this happening.
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Um, nope....
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There are MANY 4-3 teams that would give plenty for him, he IS a 4-3 DE Pro-Bowler (and deservedly so).
You nailed it disaacks3 ! We know what we've got in Mario now, but we don't know what we'll have with him in our new 3-4 ? If he's less of a player, we lose leverage in a potential trade.
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Default Re: Would you trade Mario if it meant........

and why dont we trade Schaub for a WR. come on Mario WHEN healthy is one of the best most athletic DEs in the NFL. I say he deserves a shot he may get even better in a 3-4. You never know. Plus i think that will just weaken our defensive line and that is one thing we certainly dont need.
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Default Re: Would you trade Mario if it meant........

Mario is gonna be standing up as well in obvious passing situations to rush the QB most likely...i think he has plenty of opportunity to succeed here, i don't think it's worth it to trade him. He has the respect of every offensive coach and player he lines up against and is someone you have to gameplan for.
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Mario is the type of elite player that you build an entire defense around. When you get a guy like that you don't trade him away with out an incredibly epic reason.

The Texans would have to get a blockbuster type of deal to even think about it.

What their focus should be on is finding other quality players so Mario doesn't have to be the passrush by himself and can actually sit out a game when he's hurt instead of playing entire seasons crippled by injuries.
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I'd only do this if you got back a legit vet to take his place and some draft picks otherwise you would just be opening up one void to fill another JMO.
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and why dont we trade Schaub for a WR. come on Mario WHEN healthy is one of the best most athletic DEs in the NFL. I say he deserves a shot he may get even better in a 3-4. You never know. Plus i think that will just weaken our defensive line and that is one thing we certainly dont need.
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and why dont we trade Schaub for a WR. come on Mario WHEN healthy is one of the best most athletic DEs in the NFL. I say he deserves a shot he may get even better in a 3-4. You never know. Plus i think that will just weaken our defensive line and that is one thing we certainly dont need.
Better? Really? Care to name several "prototype" 4-3 DEs who suddenly got "better" in a 3-4? Bruce Smith was told that he'd likely have had 100+ more sacks in his career in a 4-3. I like Mario, but he's no Bruce Smith.

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I'd only do this if you got back a legit vet to take his place and some draft picks otherwise you would just be opening up one void to fill another JMO.
Agreed, but a vet at 3-4 DE is a completely different spot than what Mario has played thus far.

The market would likely never be higher for Mario than it is right now. Those of us who worried about going to a 3-4 knew this all up front. Suppose that Mario isn't willing to put in the extra work required of a 3-4 DE? His value will plummet if his production drops like a rock...which is entirely possible.

I'd keep him forever in a 4-3, but this is literally a make/break season for the Texans and he's never shown the abilities that you generally look for in a 3-4 DE. I wish him all the luck in the world if we keep him, but look for his production (and happiness) to fall.
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I wish him all the luck in the world if we keep him, but look for his production (and happiness) to fall.
I don't agree with this. Phillips has spoken a number of times about adapting a defense around its best players. He will find ways to create match-ups in order for Mario (and our defense) to succeed. Plus, we will likely be in a 4-3 in most third down passing scenarios anyway.

I think this situation is WAY more about Mario then it is about what type of defense we are playing. If Mario commits himself to getting better and playing for the logo, then he will be highly successful in anything he does. If he decides to be selfish/lazy, then he will fail.
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Better? Really? Care to name several "prototype" 4-3 DEs who suddenly got "better" in a 3-4? Bruce Smith was told that he'd likely have had 100+ more sacks in his career in a 4-3. I like Mario, but he's no Bruce Smith.

Agreed, but a vet at 3-4 DE is a completely different spot than what Mario has played thus far.

The market would likely never be higher for Mario than it is right now. Those of us who worried about going to a 3-4 knew this all up front. Suppose that Mario isn't willing to put in the extra work required of a 3-4 DE? His value will plummet if his production drops like a rock...which is entirely possible.

I'd keep him forever in a 4-3, but this is literally a make/break season for the Texans and he's never shown the abilities that you generally look for in a 3-4 DE. I wish him all the luck in the world if we keep him, but look for his production (and happiness) to fall.
Right, but if the Texans trade Mario they should at least get back in return what I offered above or maybe slightly less than that.
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Everyone on the team, including Andre, is tradeable if the offer is high enough. It all depends on what's offered. For Mario maybe a 1st and 2nd this year along with next years 1st as well, from a bad team so that they're high picks.
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I think there is way too much simplification going on regarding 4-3 and 3-4 defensive schemes, like they're rigid, set, structured fronts. When in reality, I think Wade can be very creative and fluid with the fronts.

As someone just mentioned, it sounds like we're going to be running a 4-3 during passing situations. Mario as an end, Barwin or another pass rusher likely as the other end, Antonio Smith moving inside to DT. So yes, we know what we have with Mario at 4-3 and we're still going to be having him do that. Wade is also going to be creative and put Mario in situations to succeed. Not every 3-4 DE is asked to do the same thing as all the other 3-4 DEs... I think Mario will be fine.


As far as us losing value or leverage if Mario "fails" as a 3-4 DE... I don't think that's entirely true. It may limit the number of teams that would pursue him but if he still performs well in 4-3 situations I don't think those 4-3 teams would be less interested in him.
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One of my main concerns and i think one of the main problems in getting something in a trade for Mario is injury concerns. Every year he has "something" that causes him to play below optimum levels. This along with the change in defensive systems, his salary, and his inconsistent effort makes me want to make a trade. I do want it to be a good or at least a fair trade. I also think another year of injuries will lower his trade value. I think it is easier to get a d lineman than a true shutdown corner. IF Mario could play up to his potential then I would not be proposing this trade, but due to injuries he never has. I think you help yourself multiple ways with this trade. Along with the shutdown corner and a proven d lineman you either move up in the draft or get additional quality draft choices. I am afraid next year we will have a repeat of the Carr/Kubiak incident where Kubiak realizes Carr isn't the one and then gets nothing for Carr. I could easily see this happening with Mario/Wade.
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Everyone on the team, including Andre, is tradeable if the offer is high enough. It all depends on what's offered. For Mario maybe a 1st and 2nd this year along with next years 1st as well, from a bad team so that they're high picks.
I think we over value Mario here in Houston.
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I want to see what he does under Wade Phillips first....lets see what Wade can do with him...that is my opinion......
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