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Old 12-30-2010   #41
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I said, "set the franchise back." The defense is bad, but I feel that was due to lack of leadership and coaching. I don't see us progressing as a team, from the win-loss perspective, for a few years as we fully transition to a new scheme.
We disagree, I feel it was a combination of Coaching/Talent/Leadership


As to your other post Solari/Fraklin are really good FA NT's.

RMartin and JB Whose opinions I trust on small school guys say that Ellis is the real deal and should be available in rd 2/3.

I agree with you on Sash he would be a real value in the 3rd rd. The Texans should get 2 third rd picks (Dunta comp pick)and could add 2 young playmaking S there. But they are the Texans and will find a way to screw it up.

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What does your list look like?
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Don't you think that Cushing could fill the role that Woodley does in Pittsburgh?
No, I do not.
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We disagree, I feel it was a combination of Coaching/Talent/Leadership


As to your other post Solari/Fraklin are really good FA NT's.

RMartin and JB Whose opinions I trust on small school guys say that Ellis is the real deal and should be available in rd 2/3.

I agree with you on Sash he would be a real value in the 3rd rd. The Texans should get 2 third rd picks (Dunta comp pick)and could add 2 young playmaking S there. But they are the Texans and will find a way to screw it up.

3rd rd S I like are

1.Sash
2.Black
3.W.Hill
4.Haag
5.Carter

What does your list look like?

Wow! Appreciate the props, but I don't know much about Ellis. I do know that he was expected to be a force at S. C.; but he got booted from there. It is very hard to judge him based on his performance at Hampton. Not exactly stellar competition. The workouts and combine if he is selected to it will be huge for him.
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Why would he have to play MLB?

Trying to figure out how you came to that conclusion...
He's a prototypical 4-3 OLB for starters. I feel he regressed this year, which I attribute to him being clean and poor coaching, but more of the later. He isn't a Ware/Woodley/Barwin type of player. He's an instinctive tackler. He is very good at flowing and then making the play by beating the design of the block. He's not a pass-rusher. He's not a coverage OLB, though he is good enough covering the TE drags. A 3-4 MLB doesn't need to move around as much, or flow as I'm calling it. He needs to play downhill and be a gap-filler, taking advantage of the necisitated blocks by the NT and DE's shooting the outside shoulder in most cases. Sharper and Foreman were good MLB's but they weren't even serviceable LB's (I think Sharper might have played decently in SEA? after us, but my point stands) after they moved from our scheme. Cushing is perfect for the position he plays. He also played out of position this year due to Ryans injury, but he is a perfect 4-3 SOLB who can trail a TE drag when shifts are made at the line and he becomes the WOLB (we don't move our LB's with shifts).
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He's a prototypical 4-3 OLB for starters. I feel he regressed this year, which I attribute to him being clean and poor coaching, but more of the later. He isn't a Ware/Woodley/Barwin type of player. He's an instinctive tackler. He is very good at flowing and then making the play by beating the design of the block. He's not a pass-rusher. He's not a coverage OLB, though he is good enough covering the TE drags. A 3-4 MLB doesn't need to move around as much, or flow as I'm calling it. He needs to play downhill and be a gap-filler, taking advantage of the necisitated blocks by the NT and DE's shooting the outside shoulder in most cases. Sharper and Foreman were good MLB's but they weren't even serviceable LB's (I think Sharper might have played decently in SEA? after us, but my point stands) after they moved from our scheme. Cushing is perfect for the position he plays. He also played out of position this year due to Ryans injury, but he is a perfect 4-3 SOLB who can trail a TE drag when shifts are made at the line and he becomes the WOLB (we don't move our LB's with shifts).

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree that he can't play 3-4 OLB. I also disagree that he can't rush the passer. I think he is decent at it...Not great, but he's not poor.

I would not consider him for MLB at all. 3-4 or 4-3. Not that I think he can't do it physically....I just think that is not how he is wired mentally...

He likes to play downhill and he is very good in zone coverage. His man to man coverage isn't anything to write home about. When he has to swivel his hips to turn and run in coverage he looks a bit uncomfortable...But when he is facing the QB and able to break on the ball when it's thrown he is very good.

I think you are making playing 3-4 OLB compared to playing SLB in a 4-3 more complicated that it actually is when you are referring to gap shooting and such.

Physically there is nothing that would keep Cushing from being able to play 3-4 OLB...IMHO....

The main difference between a 4-3 MLB and a 3-4 MLB is that in a 3-4 they will have to take on more O-linemen on a regular basis....On leads/power type plays the playside MLB is expected to take on the blocks and the backside MLB is expected to come in and be able to make the tackle...OLB's need to be able to set the edge then fold back inside to make the tackle...

The Schemes are different but the 3-4 is not all that complicated how folks are making it seem...It's the different variations and responsibilities within the scheme where things get tricky....

I think the biggest thing is finding play makers on defense period...I really don't think our personnel is too far off to where we couldn't think about making the switch...
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While I agree that Cushing is the perfect 4-3 SAM.

He would be a better 3-4 OLB than say Anthony Spencer or Jyles Tucker, Rob Ninkovich etc...

He did have experience rushing the passer at USC his freshman and sophmore seasons.
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Differing opinions are cool. I respect them, even if I don't agree. That's the entire purpose of a message board like this other than ranting when the women don't understand.
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Differing opinions are cool. I respect them, even if I don't agree. That's the entire purpose of a message board like this other than ranting when the women don't understand.


Shh! Honest discussions are frowned upon in this time and place...
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I really appreciate differing opinions especially on the draft board section.

I'm sure there's a difference of opinions in war rooms all around the NFL.

This is good healthy debate. The only problem is that if many members of the MB cant seem to able to disagree and respect each other.

I just wanted to say thanks for not being one of those guy. I really enjoy dialog with you.
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Yes we do. LOL
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YTF, I agree with you on Cushing. Whenever I doodle a Texans 3-4, I always put Cushing in the middle. He just seems a better fit there, and I have a hard time explaining it. Its a gut feeling.
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I rarely ever post anywhere but the draft section. This is what I do. I don't follow as closely as I used to, but I still spend a lot of time with this stuff. I also don't get many Texans games, so I just stick to the draft and college type of posts.

And yeah, we definitely do keep to ourselves in this part of the board.
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so we need to live update this throughout the day.
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Texans pick 11th after SEA win is what I am hearing.
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So we get steven Paeae or Von Miller? Hmmmmm, tough choice, but I bet they pick a CB anyways...
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So we get steven Paeae or Von Miller? Hmmmmm, tough choice, but I bet they pick a CB anyways...
Outside of Peterson, none of the CBs impress me. The little I've seen of Prince, Harris and Jenkins.... I never once thought "Top 10 pick". Yes we have the 11th, I didn't hear that either.

We GOTTA fill our holes on Defense with veteran FAs and then go BPA in the draft. We HAVE to get playmakers. I think Miller and Paea and others will be rated higher than any of the DBs except for Peterson (who will be Top 5).
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Outside of Peterson, none of the CBs impress me. The little I've seen of Prince, Harris and Jenkins.... I never once thought "Top 10 pick". Yes we have the 11th, I didn't hear that either.

We GOTTA fill our holes on Defense with veteran FAs and then go BPA in the draft. We HAVE to get playmakers. I think Miller and Paea and others will be rated higher than any of the DBs except for Peterson (who will be Top 5).
best way to fill holes is to trade back like a mother.......
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