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Old 12-20-2010   #41
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But that's the post he quoted; someone complaining about Slaton sucking as a kick returner.



Dex, you're right, there are some things we should do, but if you're arguing Slaton isn't a terrible returner, it's all on Kubiak, we're just not on the same page.
Sorry, I was replying to post #34,35 & 36. I did not see #37 & 38 before I posted.
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I know everyone wants to pinpoint our return woes on Slaton... but did you know Jacoby is only doing two yards per return better than Steve? They are both towards the bottom in the league. This leads me to believe it's more on the blocking than the return man.

According to this site's formula, we have the 6th worst special teams in the league. Our only positive portion of special teams has been field goal kicking.
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And it hasn't been inability that has kept Brown (last year) and Rackers this year from kicking the the ball into the EZ. In practice, both could be seen knocking the ball out of the park. The short kicks with milisecond hang times to the 10 and 15 yd lines in games are evidently "coached." If we had good coverage teams like in the earlier years, you could say that it gave us a chance to get down the field quickly and hit hard and get turnovers. We've had terrible coverage and no turnovers and resulting crappy field position..............and we STILL continue to kick off short..........now ain't THAT special?
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We've also had a few injuries and we have gotten rid of a few vets...New guys playing special teams as well...
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During the jets game the announcers said that Turk was injured...
Injury reports have been so arbitrary. For the past couple of months, Turk has been fighting through a debilitating "hip" injury. Yet no one has been brought in to at least temporarily rest him.
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Injury reports have been so arbitrary. For the past couple of months, Turk has been fighting through a debilitating "hip" injury. Yet no one has been brought in to at least temporarily rest him.
Yeah, this is what urks the heck out of me. The dude's been stinkin it up darn near all season and we haven't done a dadgum thing about it? But when we have a position player or their back up go down, we bring in 2 or 3 players for workouts? Turk must owe Kubiak money or something. Geez
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Yeah, this is what urks the heck out of me. The dude's been stinkin it up darn near all season and we haven't done a dadgum thing about it? But when we have a position player or their back up go down, we bring in 2 or 3 players for workouts? Turk must owe Kubiak money or something. Geez
Turk's kicking actually helps our defense. They don't give up as many yards and that's a fact, Jack!
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Turk's kicking actually helps our defense. They don't give up as many yards and that's a fact, Jack!
That's one way of looking at it
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I don't believe I'll care if a new coach comes in and wants to change the special teams coaching. If he chooses to retain Marciano then I probably won't be all that upset either. I think we've had a bad year on special teams but that generally we're solid if unspectacular and solid is enough most of the time. Marciano can do better and more than likely will again.

But he's had a bad year though, no doubt about it.

Rackers hasn't been bad but Turk is done. Time catches up with everyone eventually.
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I was talking about how Kubiak limits Maricano's ability to be aggressive
with special teams.
Even if that's the case, this has really been the first year that our return game has really suffered...
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If there's a change in ST coaching perhaps it will be with someone who will let Holliday just go with his instincts and speed to be that guy that he was drafted to be. If he can catch the ball
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If there's a change in ST coaching perhaps it will be with someone who will let Holliday just go with his instincts and speed to be that guy that he was drafted to be. If he can catch the ball
He may have had some problems with hanging on to the ball at LSU. But even so, it's hard to catch a ball without a thumb.
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Well da blockers are mostly our 2nd stringers and Leech

IMO Leech is to slow to be on special teams

everyone knows the punter is the QB of the SPecial Teams and TURK needs to go thats whats wrong with our Special teams


ANd the recivers Man SLaton just sucks at returning kicks JJ two all that SUckage and what do u expect LOL

I dont know if Trindon Holiday is the answer But we Deff need to Draft the best punter off the board YEAH i SAID IT
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He may have had some problems with hanging on to the ball at LSU. But even so, it's hard to catch a ball without a thumb.
Something about this whole thumb issue doesn't mesh right with me. I'm thinking they really did not want to leave him exposed on the practice squad.

I was a big fan of Holliday and still am despite his preseason struggles. I believe he has tons of potential. I saw that upon his very first return before he got "coached up". There are some players that you just let them be. Let the kid run on space. Worry about coaching up the blockers or solving the new wedge rule change.
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Holiday is going to be on a short Leash this Offseason he going to have to fight to make this team imo
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Something about this whole thumb issue doesn't mesh right with me. I'm thinking they really did not want to leave him exposed on the practice squad.

I was a big fan of Holliday and still am despite his preseason struggles. I believe he has tons of potential. I saw that upon his very first return before he got "coached up". There are some players that you just let them be. Let the kid run on space. Worry about coaching up the blockers or solving the new wedge rule change.
I have a feeling that Holliday has a very good chance of proving himself on KO returns (we'll have to see on P returns). In preseason, he actually had 4 out of his 5 KO returns go for greater than 20 yds (ave on those 5 being 24 yds). The STs blocking in preseason was even more of a mess than it has been in regular season. The offseason camps and TC/ preseason should go a long way to Holliday's development.
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Neil Rackers is the only bright spot on ST this year
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Indeed, he has been pretty consistent. But if you've noticed, Kubiak has usually not trotted him out there for greater than 50 yd attempts........something that has proven to be somewhat limiting in options in potentially important situations.
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Indeed, he has been pretty consistent. But if you've noticed, Kubiak has usually not trotted him out there for greater than 50 yd attempts........something that has proven to be somewhat limiting in options in potentially important situations.
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Definitely has limited us a bit...

And if I'm not mistaken he missed a long one recently by coming up just short...
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I know everyone wants to pinpoint our return woes on Slaton... but did you know Jacoby is only doing two yards per return better than Steve? They are both towards the bottom in the league. This leads me to believe it's more on the blocking than the return man.

According to this site's formula, we have the 6th worst special teams in the league. Our only positive portion of special teams has been field goal kicking.
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This is from 2010...

I think it's safe to say Coach Marciano is no longer an effective special teams coach in the NFL.

Sub Par performance going on 3 years now...
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