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Old 12-03-2010   #121
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Too much nitpicking on an offense and QB that are under constant pressure due to a catastrophicially bad defense.

Too much haterade to consider the overall body of work done by Schaub.

Tonight? 330 yds and 2 TDs on the road. Every QB will make an unfortunate mistake. Schaub's only thrown 8 picks this year.

Schaub led two excellent time consuming drives in the 3rd to get the 24-20 lead!

And at some point, a stinging Eagles defense will come to play as well...that's why a good NFL team NEEDS balance, namely a defense that can at least make its share of stops...which the Texans defense cannot do enough of.

Was it Schaub's fault that the special teams allowed the Eagles to start on their 40? Was it Schaub who allowed a 30yd pass play on that drive to allow the Eagles to grab the 27-24 lead just a bit later?

The defense has to do better than that, better than 3rd-19 defense! There's a difference between 34-24 and 30-24 in the closing minutes of a game, you know.

Simple-minded, knee jerkers don't always see the dynamics of a game. I mean, really, we'll just go to Wal-Mart and grab a "mediocre" QB because Schaub sucks that bad to some people? Because he might miss a hot read here and there?

This is what panamamyers essentially suggests? Rid ourselves of Schaub in order to get a mediocre QB? Hey, we can still lobby for Vince Young, right? Kerry Collins might be there for the taking if not. Talk to Bud up there...let's see!

Schaub's got some issues but he's NOT THE issue.

He produced great clutch moments to go ahead against the Redskins, Chiefs and Jets...just barely missed on getting ahead of the Chargers...and this is after many porous moments by a defense that allows close to 30 points a game!

If the defense could have prevented Chargers' no-name receivers from Pro-Bowl performances.

If the defense could have stopped Sanchez with 50 seconds and no timeouts on the Jets' 25.

If the defense could have held the Eagles to a field goal on 3rd and 19, Schaub could have had an opportunity for another clutch drive!

And Schaub is supposed to be Superman? This season cannot be blamed on Schaub as such. We'd be hard-pressed to see P. Rivers do as much with a defense SO bad.
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Excellent, excellent post. Schaub had a shitty game, underthrew/overthrew, made mistakes, whatever....but man, what ridiculousness.

"I'm done with Schaub", lmfao. What nonsense.
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This threads hilarious.

So easy to pile on. Is what it is though...these people lost me after the win over KC.

If you have a problem with the state of the team/franchise, voice that shit, but the over the top ridiculous comments are the killers for me.
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If the team can't see that Schaub is a loser by now then they deserve what they get. They can cut him loose now and get started with the rebuild or they can give him 4 more years and wallow in mediocrity for those four years then start the rebuild.

I cannot think of a single quarterback out there that I wouldn't rather have.

To have the talent he has around him and to still be 10th in the league in ppg.

The team wins in spite of him, not because of him.
"Loser?" This IS a loser post. Actually it's been Schaub that carried the Texans to about half the wins this year. Without him they lose to KC and DC. Hell, Schaub had the Jags ready for OT and Jets BEATEN...if not for...ah, well.
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Hahaha! I'm more DONE with this doofus Defence, than Schaub!
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It's Frank Bush you should be done with. Shuab is doing a decent/ good job and has been. No QB completes 100%. However The D seem to have an inate ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory over and over and over.
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So you are telling me you would take Derek Anderson or JaMarcus Russell over Schaub? OK then.....
Is Jamarcus Russell starting somewhere?
I don't think there's a nickel's worth of difference between Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski and Matt Schaub though.
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Schaub is WAY far down on the list of things to be concerned about for this team. There are much bigger fish to fry long before we get to Schaubby boy.
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"Loser?" This IS a loser post. Actually it's been Schaub that carried the Texans to about half the wins this year. Without him they lose to KC and DC. Hell, Schaub had the Jags ready for OT and Jets BEATEN...if not for...ah, well.

Put the stats down.
Look at what Schaub does on the field. He lacks the heart and the stomach for it.

The sooner people quit looking around fo excuses and realize that Schaub just doesn't have it...the sooner we can get someone in that does.

Schaub would be great on that Trent Dilfer Ravens team. He would be great on that Brad Johnson Bucs team.

Matter of fact, that's exactly who he is....he's Brad Johnson.
If as a franchise you want to hitch your wagon to Brad Johnson, then you are going to have some lean years in front of you.
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All I'm gonna say is that if you look at our team as a whole, Matt is no where near the problem.
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Here is Schaub's problem.

Every time he goes on the field he knows he needs to produce points or the team is going to lose.

If he makes a mistake the team loses. If they punt the team loses.

Due to this he is pushing way to hard, is tense and anxious and things just aren't coming naturally.

The worst defense in the history of football has turned our smart game managing QB into a desperado.
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And at some point, a stinging Eagles defense will come to play as well...that's why a good NFL team NEEDS balance, namely a defense that can at least make its share of stops...which the Texans defense cannot do enough of.
You may want to just step out of the way on this whole Schaub argument.
You are taking the losing side of this argument, and you are not able to read into the situation enough to see it.

No one is asking for Schaub to be perfect. There is such a thing as winning time. that time came up there in the 4th quarter and what did Schaub have for us? A horribly underthrown choke job of a throw to Walter. It was not really surprising is the bad part. That's par for the course for him.

When I really knew we simply had a loser on our hands was last year's Cardinals game. He essentially gave them the game with that pick six.
He gave the Eagles the game with that pick before halftime. He gave the colts the game with a pick six earlier this year.
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Schaub is not the problem. He HAS proven that he is not an elite QB that some people thought he would be this year.

The problem is on the other side of the ball. Not resigning Dunta, or getting a veteran CB has really hurt this team. Also our D scheme has been behind the curve all year.
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Schaub is not the problem. He HAS proven that he is not an elite QB that some people thought he would be this year.

The problem is on the other side of the ball. Not resigning Dunta, or getting a veteran CB has really hurt this team. Also our D scheme has been behind the curve all year.
No matter what you say, not giving Dunta his cash was the right decision.

Not bring back Reeves at a reasonable cost or pursuing other experienced players however is a good point.
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LMFAO at this thread. Done with Schaub are you? Where's your replacement?
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no, but I would trade for Kevin Kolb in heartbeat.....
Why would you actively spend picks changing offensive personnel when the defense is as bad as it is/
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The whole Schaub situation reminds me of Jerrod Johnson at A&M.

Aggie fans LOVED Jerrod Johnson. They thought he was the second coming of John Elway over there. Everyone else in the country knew that he was horrible and that the Aggies were doing what they were doing in spite of him.

Some Aggie fans finally started to wise up and call for Tannehill to come in and take over. Other were vehemently opposed. Jerrod is not the problem they would say. Look at all those numbers he puts up. He throws for a lot of yards sometimes. Jerrod is way down the list of problems.

I wanted them to keep Jerrod in there, because I am a Longhorn fan. I knew that Jerrod did the little things that ensured that they lost more than they won. He would get a sack here, a fumble there...whatever it took to make sure they got an L.

They have a winner at qb now, and the whole entire attitude has changed on the team.

You can say what you like about us needing to fix our defense. I could find 15-20 qb's in the NFL right this second that would have us sitting at 7-5
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No matter what you say, not giving Dunta his cash was the right decision.

Not bring back Reeves at a reasonable cost or pursuing other experienced players however is a good point.
Yeah not getting into the Dunta debate. Our 6 corners have 8 TOTAL years of NFL experience. And 4 is from Jason Allen who was signed 2 weeks ago. So we had a total of 4 years of NFL experience from our 5 cornerbacks to start the 2010 season. Recipe for success?
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Too much nitpicking on an offense and QB that are under constant pressure due to a catastrophicially bad defense.

Too much haterade to consider the overall body of work done by Schaub.

Tonight? 330 yds and 2 TDs on the road. Every QB will make an unfortunate mistake. Schaub's only thrown 8 picks this year.

Schaub led two excellent time consuming drives in the 3rd to get the 24-20 lead!

And at some point, a stinging Eagles defense will come to play as well...that's why a good NFL team NEEDS balance, namely a defense that can at least make its share of stops...which the Texans defense cannot do enough of.

Was it Schaub's fault that the special teams allowed the Eagles to start on their 40? Was it Schaub who allowed a 30yd pass play on that drive to allow the Eagles to grab the 27-24 lead just a bit later?

The defense has to do better than that, better than 3rd-19 defense! There's a difference between 34-24 and 30-24 in the closing minutes of a game, you know.

Simple-minded, knee jerkers don't always see the dynamics of a game. I mean, really, we'll just go to Wal-Mart and grab a "mediocre" QB because Schaub sucks that bad to some people? Because he might miss a hot read here and there?

This is what panamamyers essentially suggests? Rid ourselves of Schaub in order to get a mediocre QB? Hey, we can still lobby for Vince Young, right? Kerry Collins might be there for the taking if not. Talk to Bud up there...let's see!

Schaub's got some issues but he's NOT THE issue.

He produced great clutch moments to go ahead against the Redskins, Chiefs and Jets...just barely missed on getting ahead of the Chargers...and this is after many porous moments by a defense that allows close to 30 points a game!

If the defense could have prevented Chargers' no-name receivers from Pro-Bowl performances.

If the defense could have stopped Sanchez with 50 seconds and no timeouts on the Jets' 25.

If the defense could have held the Eagles to a field goal on 3rd and 19, Schaub could have had an opportunity for another clutch drive!

And Schaub is supposed to be Superman? This season cannot be blamed on Schaub as such. We'd be hard-pressed to see P. Rivers do as much with a defense SO bad.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Put the stats down.
Look at what Schaub does on the field. He lacks the heart and the stomach for it.

The sooner people quit looking around fo excuses and realize that Schaub just doesn't have it...the sooner we can get someone in that does.

Schaub would be great on that Trent Dilfer Ravens team. He would be great on that Brad Johnson Bucs team.

Matter of fact, that's exactly who he is....he's Brad Johnson.
If as a franchise you want to hitch your wagon to Brad Johnson, then you are going to have some lean years in front of you.
This "take" is patently stupid. Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer never carried the offense with their passing game. Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson didn't have defenses that were so bad they magnified any offensive mistakes that were made. Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson were never looked at as above average QB's ever, and would have never thrown for the passing title in the same year that Brady, Manning and whoever else were all playing and relatively healthy.

You say "throw out the stats" because they don't fit your explanation that is full of just cliches and hyperbole. Nobody here thinks Schaub is perfect, but when you a defense that is historically one of the worst passing defenses ever then you are pretty much hosed as a QB. The fact that Schaub has cut down on his turnovers this year while keeping us a threat through the air makes me wonder if you actually watch the games or if you're just trying to get more replies to your posts.

There is no way that anybody will agree with you that the problem with this team rests on Schaub and not any one of the myriad of dumpster fires and train wrecks that we call a defense.

Get Out.

EDIT: There are exactly 3, maybe 4 QB's who could maybe win with this awful ****ing defense. Actually no, I take that back, the only QB I can think of who is keeping a great record while the pass defense is god awful is Tom ****ing Brady. There are not 15 - 20 QB's playing in this league who could win by scoring 35+ points every single game. Get the **** out of here your opinions are worthless.
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