The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Dishman

He's referring to Arian Foster being pulled out to rest a few reps in place of Derrick Ward or a series of pass plays. Andy Reid didn't pull Vick from the game in place of Kolb to let Vick get some rest. Reid used Vick to his advantage whereas Kubiak uses Foster in a way that makes some of us tilt are head and say "wtf just happened".

But, uh, when do QBs ever leave the game for rests? RBs always do.

[HJam72]

I think Kubiak plans too many things ahead and just doesn't adjust on the fly....at all.

[J_R]

Only seven NFL head coaches have more tenure than Gary Kubiak, and all seven of them have gone to the playoffs at least twice.

The Packers, Saints and Vikings hired head coaches the same off-season the Texans hired Kubiak, and they've each gone to the playoffs twice.

The Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens and Dolphins changed coaches since Kubiak was hired, and they've all been to the playoffs.

Have you checked out the Bucs or Chiefs? They're being rebuilt in a hurry.Do you think they might get to the playoffs before our little Texans?

Every situation is different. Yes, Kubiak inherited a 2-14 disaster of a team. Yes, he plays in a tough division. At some point, though, enough is enough is enough.

Kubiak has had enough time. Rick Smith, too. If this coach and this general manager don't get the Texans to the playoffs in their fifth year, there's no reason to think they're ever going to do it.

Every season is starting to look like every other season for this franchise. The Texans aren't terrible, but they're not very good, either. They're just there, painting the town gray.

They beat the Colts. They rallied gallantly to beat the Redskins. Just when you started to believe in them, they got run off the field by the Cowboys. When they miss the playoffs again, we can't even say, "At least we beat the Cowboys."

Optimism only goes so far

Let's not make this just about Kubiak, even though that's the simplest place to start because this latest meltdown is on him and his inability to get his team to make winning plays.

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If you still believe in the Texans today, you're an extreme optimist. Speaking of optimists, the Texans sold out Reliant Stadium for the 87th straight game Sunday afternoon.

Keep that number in mind the next time someone tells you Houston isn't much of a sports town. Do you think fans in Boston or Chicago would keep buying tickets if they had a team like the Texans? We're either very loyal, very optimistic or we're really, really into tailgating.

Midway through Kubiak's fifth season, 15 NFL teams have better records than the Texans, including seven in the AFC. If the season ended today, the Texans wouldn't come close to making the playoffs.

With road games remaining against the Jaguars, Titans, Eagles and Jets, they're going to need a great finish just to finish .500, much less make the playoffs.

Let's not let Rick Smith off the hook here. He has had four drafts and four free-agent classes. After all that reshaping of the roster, how many players do the Texans have who are among the five or 10 best at their positions?

Andre Johnson? Absolutely. Arian Foster? Definitely? Mario Williams? When he shows up. How about Brian Cushing? Nope, not this year.
As for three other No. 1 picks — Duane Brown, Amobi Okoye and Kareem Jackson - let's be kind and say they're a work in progress.

Schaub not exempt

How about Matt Schaub? Last week, Kubiak said he was playing well. He said the same thing of Mario Williams, so maybe his words shouldn't be etched in stone.

Schaub's numbers are down across the board, but maybe those shouldn't be emphasized too much since Foster has given the Texans a dimension they've never had before.

But the Schaub number that ought to frighten Kubiak more than any other is the sack total. After getting sacked 25 times all season, he's on a pace for 42 this year.

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The bottom line is that the Texans have lost four of six since that 2-0 start and are tied for last place in the AFC South. Unless something turns around dramatically, they'll start playing out the string about on schedule.

Could Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden or Tony Dungy take this roster to the playoffs? Could they get them to cut down on their mistakes, to play with more resolve? Or has Rick Smith dealt Kubiak an impossible hand?

All that's clear is that a season that began with such optimism is slipping away as usual. And Kubiak has had enough time to fix it.

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[Señor Stan]

Leave Kubiak alone!!!

You're lucky he even calls plays for you BASTARDS!!!11!

[JB]

Originally Posted by HoustonSportsFan09

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...ontent=Twitter

I can't believe you quoted an entire Justice article and posted it here like it had some sort of credibility. What's next, taking McLame's word on the state of the Texans?

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by JB

I can't believe you quoted an entire Justice article and posted it here like it had some sort of credibility. What's next, taking McLame's word on the state of the Texans?

[J_R]

Originally Posted by JB

I can't believe you quoted an entire Justice article and posted it here like it had some sort of credibility. What's next, taking McLame's word on the state of the Texans?

Oh I'm sorry Did I offend you?

Anyhow, Justice is spot-on here. Kubiak is a lame-ass mediocre coach. How long we gonna give him? A lifetime contract? Sure why not. Truth hurts, doesn't it? Fact is, Kubiak isnt the guy. Just cant get the job done. Medicore and average.

[JB]

Originally Posted by HoustonSportsFan09

Oh I'm sorry Did I offend you?

Anyhow, Justice is spot-on here. Kubiak is a lame-ass mediocre coach. How long we gonna give him? A lifetime contract? Sure why not. Truth hurts, doesn't it? Fact is, Kubiak isnt the guy. Just cant get the job done. Medicore and average.

Offended me? Not at all. I just need to get used to the fact that a bunch of you people have already written the season off, even though we are only halfway through and not out of it at all.

And it won't matter to you what we do the rest of the season, even if we win out, 'cause Kubiak is a lame-ass mediocre coach. And every fumble or interception is his fault.

But anyone that thinks that Justice is "spot-on" about anything is questionably a laqme-ass mediocre fan in my opinion.

[spurstexanstros]

Once again...the players need to excecute. Jacoby.,... Arian and Andre. They hold on to ball Texans win...but nooooo focus on things like resting players at certain times and play calling.

I see the soapers points but cmon..the players play the game and they havent been excecuting.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by JB

Offended me? Not at all. I just need to get used to the fact that a bunch of you people have already written the season off, even though we are only halfway through and not out of it at all.

And it won't matter to you what we do the rest of the season, even if we win out, 'cause Kubiak is a lame-ass mediocre coach. And every fumble or interception is his fault.

But anyone that thinks that Justice is "spot-on" about anything is questionably a laqme-ass mediocre fan in my opinion.

My opinion on Kubiak's lame-ass-ness is not based only on this season.
It's based on the result of FOUR AND A HALF SEASONS of .500 ball.
We started 3-1, and are 1-3 since. Perfectly perpendicular path
we're following. A perfect .500 record.

Win out? Sweep the Jags and Titans? Beat the Ravens and Jets?
Beat Mike Vick in Philly? Kyle Orton DOESN'T throw for 450 on us?

You really see all that? Where's the evidence?

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by spurstexanstros

Once again...the players need to excecute Jacoby.,...

Not the guy I would have picked, but I guess if you want to set an example .... ???

[JB]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

My opinion on Kubiak's lame-ass-ness is not based only on this season.
It's based on the result of FOUR AND A HALF SEASONS of .500 ball.
We started 3-1, and are 1-3 since. Perfectly perpendicular path
we're following. A perfect .500 record.

Win out? Sweep the Jags and Titans? Beat the Ravens and Jets?
Beat Mike Vick in Philly? Kyle Orton DOESN'T throw for 450 on us?

You really see all that? Where's the evidence?

I never said I see them winning out. If you didn't read it, I said even if they win out...









see the difference there?

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Not the guy I would have picked, but I guess if you want to set an example .... ???

That's funny stuff right there. Must spread rep.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by JB

I never said I see them winning out. If you didn't read it, I said even if they win out...









see the difference there?

Ok. It's analogous to "Even if the Atlantic Ocean became a desert
tomorrow morning..." Got ya.

[JB]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Ok. It's analogous to "Even if the Atlantic Ocean became a desert
tomorrow morning..." Got ya.

So, you're saying that the Texans have less of a chance of making the playoffs than a non-white does of being a racist? Got ya.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by JB

So, you're saying that the Texans have less of a chance of making the playoffs than a non-white does of being a racist? Got ya.

LOL. Can't lie. I'm bustin' a gut over here. Rep.

[JB]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

LOL. Can't lie. I'm bustin' a gut over here. Rep.

Laughter is the best medicine...

[wagonhed]

Easily the most depressing thing I've read this season.

Only seven NFL head coaches have more tenure than Gary Kubiak, and all seven of them have gone to the playoffs at least twice.

The Packers, Saints and Vikings hired head coaches the same off-season the Texans hired Kubiak, and they've each gone to the playoffs twice.

The Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens and Dolphins changed coaches since Kubiak was hired, and they've all been to the playoffs.

Have you checked out the Bucs or Chiefs? They're being rebuilt in a hurry.Do you think they might get to the playoffs before our little Texans?

Every situation is different. Yes, Kubiak inherited a 2-14 disaster of a team. Yes, he plays in a tough division. At some point, though, enough is enough is enough.

Kubiak has had enough time. Rick Smith, too. If this coach and this general manager don't get the Texans to the playoffs in their fifth year, there's no reason to think they're ever going to do it.

Every season is starting to look like every other season for this franchise. The Texans aren't terrible, but they're not very good, either. They're just there, painting the town gray.

They beat the Colts. They rallied gallantly to beat the Redskins. Just when you started to believe in them, they got run off the field by the Cowboys. When they miss the playoffs again, we can't even say, "At least we beat the Cowboys."

Optimism only goes so far

Let's not make this just about Kubiak, even though that's the simplest place to start because this latest meltdown is on him and his inability to get his team to make winning plays.

...

If you still believe in the Texans today, you're an extreme optimist. Speaking of optimists, the Texans sold out Reliant Stadium for the 87th straight game Sunday afternoon.

Keep that number in mind the next time someone tells you Houston isn't much of a sports town. Do you think fans in Boston or Chicago would keep buying tickets if they had a team like the Texans? We're either very loyal, very optimistic or we're really, really into tailgating.

Midway through Kubiak's fifth season, 15 NFL teams have better records than the Texans, including seven in the AFC. If the season ended today, the Texans wouldn't come close to making the playoffs.

With road games remaining against the Jaguars, Titans, Eagles and Jets, they're going to need a great finish just to finish .500, much less make the playoffs.

Let's not let Rick Smith off the hook here. He has had four drafts and four free-agent classes. After all that reshaping of the roster, how many players do the Texans have who are among the five or 10 best at their positions?

Andre Johnson? Absolutely. Arian Foster? Definitely? Mario Williams? When he shows up. How about Brian Cushing? Nope, not this year.
As for three other No. 1 picks — Duane Brown, Amobi Okoye and Kareem Jackson - let's be kind and say they're a work in progress.

Schaub not exempt

How about Matt Schaub? Last week, Kubiak said he was playing well. He said the same thing of Mario Williams, so maybe his words shouldn't be etched in stone.

Schaub's numbers are down across the board, but maybe those shouldn't be emphasized too much since Foster has given the Texans a dimension they've never had before.

But the Schaub number that ought to frighten Kubiak more than any other is the sack total. After getting sacked 25 times all season, he's on a pace for 42 this year.

...

The bottom line is that the Texans have lost four of six since that 2-0 start and are tied for last place in the AFC South. Unless something turns around dramatically, they'll start playing out the string about on schedule.

Could Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden or Tony Dungy take this roster to the playoffs? Could they get them to cut down on their mistakes, to play with more resolve? Or has Rick Smith dealt Kubiak an impossible hand?

All that's clear is that a season that began with such optimism is slipping away as usual. And Kubiak has had enough time to fix it.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by wagonhed

Easily the most depressing thing I've read this season.

Painful, because it's true.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by wagonhed

Easily the most depressing thing I've read this season.

It's all about perspective.

I don't think you can compare our franchise to those. They've had success, they had vets, who knew how to be vets. If you put Kubiak on any of those teams when those coaches took over, no doubt in my mind they would have had as much success if not more.

We didn't have anything. What we did get in the expansion draft, Capers & Casserly pretty much dumped before the 2-14 season.

Compare this club to the Detroit Lions of 2002, the 49ers of 2002, the Cardinals of 2002. & what we've got here isn't very much different.

The Cardinals of course seems to be the best franchise of that bunch. Denny Green IMHO left a much better team for Wisenhunt than Capers left for Casserly. I don't know that Green couldn't have taken the team Wisenhunt took to the Super Bowl. I think Green was let go to early & that team would look better now, if Green was still there. Wisenhunt (IMHO) isn't as good as putting a team together (at least he hasn't shown it) than Green was.

That's the fear I have, of losing Kubiak. This team is good enough (IMHO) to get to the play-offs & make a strong push for the Super Bowl. Looks mediocre now, I know.... we're dealing with adversity (everybody does, every season) we're getting ours now, & I think it'll all work out in the end. We'll make a Super Bowl push & I like Kubiak & Smith keeping that going next year, and the year after, and the year after.

I liked what Marinelli was able to do in Detroit. I don't agree with his firing. But they've been messing around with coaches while keeping a bad GM & they hadn't been able to build the foundation a franchise needs until Marinelli got there. I like what Shwartz is doing there. I think he put together a good draft, had a great offseason & I think he will do well if they allow him the time to finish.

I liked what Mike Nolan was doing in San Francisco but they fired him too early (expectations too high). I like Singletary, I think he would have had more success taking over a more veteran team. If he gets fired in San Fran because of what they are going through now (which I don't think they would be going through with Nolan) he may not get a chance to be a head coach again.

This is our 9th season. The most success we've had in the last 9 years, is a 9-7 season. It doesn't make sense to compare Kubiak to Ryan who took over a 9-7 team with pro bowl guards & a history & tradition we can't even compare....

Or an Atlanta Falcons team that had been to the NFC championship game in that 9 year period. Or a Miami team with a top 10 defense.