The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[GP]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I will always root about him.

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Don't root about Kubiak. Gross!

Root FOR him, but please don't go rooting about Kubiak. LOL.

Dale, good for you. Seriously. Thank you for having the ability to accept it and move forward. Now, you can start thinking about the future. And thinking about the future will help you to not go insane thinking about the present. It mellows you. Trust me on this.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by GP

Dale, good for you. Seriously. Thank you for having the ability to accept it and move forward. Now, you can start thinking about the future. And thinking about the future will help you to not go insane thinking about the present. It mellows you. Trust me on this.

LOL, you just prompted me to change my signature.

"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. " - Red

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

"If's" "and's", or "buts" have all been exhausted for Kubiak's regime.

No excuses in 2010.

^^^^

This

The sheeple have started to see the light.

You've gotta do something at the end of the season Uncle BoB. Or the fan base will turn against you and take the cash cow with them.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by houstonspartan

Dale, a question.

What was it that finally changed your mind? I remember you were one of the biggest Kubiak supporters, and I remember you chiding me for saying we were looking at a 7-9 season this year.

I'm just curious as to what was the turning point for you. I'm really surprised that you're calling for his firing.

I'm working on an article concerning this now. Largely, though, it is regression. As long as I was seeing growth and improvement, I was willing to exercise patience. This year, however, not only has the team regressed, but his coaching has as well.

Particularly, the way the team came out of the bye and played a game right into the hands of Indy and then followed it up with atrocious decisions in the Charger game. By the way, the past two seasons, the Texans have entered the bye week two games over .500 each time, and followed the bye week with an 0-4 run last season, and an 0-2 run this season.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by False Start

Low and behold, Kubiak said it was on him just now on 610.

I think it's time to be pragmatic and believe him. Four and a half seasons - 72 games - is enough of a resume to get a clear picture of a head coach. It's just a shame that Bob McNair doesn't seem to believe his head coach when he accepts responsibility for perpetual mediocrity. While no disrespect meant, he's clearly a bu$ine$$ man before a football fan. And while winning is good for business, so is a sellout crowd that accepts a mediocre product.

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Among the obvious issues, this team has no balls. IMO, players attitude's reflect that of their coach. Kubiak doesn't even have the nads to watch 4th down plays or clutch FG's.

Do I think Kubiak will get fired? Doubt it, unless McNair's willing to buy out the 2 years remaining on his and his coach's contracts.

Ugh! I'm not sure what the hell I want to happen with this organization. All I know is I'm fed up and tired of wasting my time with this friggin team.

yep, I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm so glad that I'm not spending money that I don't have on this product anymore. Quality time with my kids in beautiful weather is not worth the tradeoff, so I think my DVR is going to prove very useful in the coming weeks. Life is way too short to waste time getting frustrated as a fan of a team stuck in the mud of mediocrity.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Later today, we will work on the tape studay, video, etc... But, for now, I simply had to resolve the state of my relationship with one of my all-time favorite coaches. Here you go:

Divorce is sad, depressing, and sometimes unavoidable. I argue with Barrett all the time about commitment. I happen to believe that, committment, in itself is a moral good. Committing to things and people despite the difficulty they present builds character and honors life, I believe. Many sports fans see their fandom as an escape from reality. I do not. Certainly, I see it as entertainment. However, I am very passionate about football, in particular, and I look for symmetry between football and life. I love it when a player, team, a play, or a season tells me something about life. For instance, I love it when effort is rewarded. Or, when sacrifice pays dividend, I am moved. I even revel in the immense disappointment tied to a season of almost. All of that speaks to the human condition and to the things I grapple with in my life. I have enjoyed the humanity displayed by Gary Kubiak. I have rooted for him, believed in him in the difficult moments, and suffered through the disappointments, not afraid to hope again the next week and the next season, risking further crushing disappointment.

Well, half way through our fifth season together, I am afraid I must acknowledge it is time to part ways. There are simply too many irreconcilable differences. I just can’t do this anymore. We are at a point now that our splitting is no longer an “if”, it is a “when”. The longer this relationship lingers on, the more pain and anguish all parties will suffer as a result. I wish Gary well… I really do. I will always root for him.

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Disgusting LOL, Glad to see you coming around.

DM if Uncle BoB would hire an experienced proven winner to run this organization. Instead of guys that have to learn on the job. Then you wouldn't have to go through these range of emotions.

Face the facts as they are. Smithiak have built a nice little team full of good KIDS. Who are never going to win anything as presently constructed.

I will never root for the Texans to lose. But if they fell flat on their faces the rest of this season. It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Because it would force Uncle BoB to to take the necessary steps and purge the team of the front office and hopefully hire competent people to run this organization and hopefully the new regime will get rid of plaers who dont seem to care. (I'm speaking to you OkOye)

[Scooter]

in the midst of mediocrity i'm again losing interest. we still have 4 division games left so there's reason to remain optomistic and let the season play out before making any decisions. i'll never be a "soaper" because i'll never change my avatar lol, but i'm running low on reasons not to be.

i completely agree with hervoyal, and said nearly the same thing a few days ago before "drunk edit". at the beginning of the season many including myself were excited that "kubiak finally has his coaches" ... we were wrong. his coaches dont work. bob mcnair needs to see that and make the necessary move or moves, beginning with a stronger and experienced GM. someone like parcells with the pedigree, attitude, and huge network of players and coaches that could make better decisions about bringing in the right pieces.

this obviously is mostly on defense ... finding a coaching staff that could do more to seperate kubiak from the defense. with all of the picks and free agent money we allocate towards the defense each season, we have to be better. he might get head coaching offers, but as the cowboys continue to quit, wade phillips would be the ideal in my opinion. considering we're actually more built for a 3-4 defense IMO, a change in scheme would be a positive. we cant continue to win every single game on offense and hope the defense can keep from losing games by themselves.

on offense, stop adding new OC's every other season ... heck, drop the OC position entirely. the more we filter what kubiak wants to do, the worse we get. our most creative playcalling on offense was kyle shannahan's first season as OC, and i doubt many (if any) will say that kyle had much control at all - kubiak was running the show. very different look this season with dennison calling the shots, all passes are either max protect or dumpoffs.

in conclusion ... a GM instead of the "yes man" that smith appears to be. a real defensive coordinator and a slew of better position coaches. drop several offensive coaches and the OC position entirely - more offensive control to kubiak, less defensive control.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Well, half way through our fifth season together, I am afraid I must acknowledge it is time to part ways. There are simply too many irreconcilable differences. I just can’t do this anymore. We are at a point now that our splitting is no longer an “if”, it is a “when”. The longer this relationship lingers on, the more pain and anguish all parties will suffer as a result. I wish Gary well… I really do. I will always root for him.

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Halfway through the season... Already saying your farewells.

Why did you get married in the first place? What made you hitch your wagon to this ball & chain? What's changed?

At the end of last season, I said, "if the Texans start next season building on what they've been doing this season, it will be the first time in Kubiak's tenure."

I don't understand it, but every year, it's been something else. Last year's offense was nothing like the year before, when we "had a running game" We lost our starting guards & we changed our running philosophy. Less Power O, less Iso, more ZBS.

This year our big play first down game is gone, don't know what happened to it, & while last year we started on fire one game, then cold as ice the next game, this year it's been ice on the regular.

Changing to Dennison? maybe.

Defensively we're playing about as well/poorly as we did last year. Not really a whole lot of difference considering we've consistently poor offensively.

Hopefully, yesterday's game is a sign of things to come. We ran all over the #2 defense, threw the ball pretty well against them as well, from the word go.

It's hard to say that was a good showing from the defense. But, the way we've played in the past, that really was an improvement (sad I know).

But if you think about it, Tennesse with their veteran corners didn't do any better. Neither did the Raiders, the #3 passing defense, or the Patriots. Doesn't make it better..... doesn't mean we're any good.

I'm not using it as an excuse or anything, but I believe we are dealing with a little adversity (& have been since the overtraining thing) & we're doing okay.

We've got to get better, no doubt about it. We've got to play better, no doubt about it.

Scoreboard is all that matters & we've got 8 more scoreboards to look at before it is all over.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Halfway through the season... Already saying your farewells.

Why did you get married in the first place? What made you hitch your wagon to this ball & chain? What's changed?

At the end of last season, I said, "if the Texans start next season building on what they've been doing this season, it will be the first time in Kubiak's tenure."

I don't understand it, but every year, it's been something else. Last year's offense was nothing like the year before, when we "had a running game" We lost our starting guards & we changed our running philosophy. Less Power O, less Iso, more ZBS.

This year our big play first down game is gone, don't know what happened to it, & while last year we started on fire one game, then cold as ice the next game, this year it's been ice on the regular.

Changing to Dennison? maybe.

Defensively we're playing about as well/poorly as we did last year. Not really a whole lot of difference considering we've consistently poor offensively.

Hopefully, yesterday's game is a sign of things to come. We ran all over the #2 defense, threw the ball pretty well against them as well, from the word go.

It's hard to say that was a good showing from the defense. But, the way we've played in the past, that really was an improvement (sad I know).

But if you think about it, Tennesse with their veteran corners didn't do any better. Neither did the Raiders, the #3 passing defense, or the Patriots. Doesn't make it better..... doesn't mean we're any good.

I'm not using it as an excuse or anything, but I believe we are dealing with a little adversity (& have been since the overtraining thing) & we're doing okay.

We've got to get better, no doubt about it. We've got to play better, no doubt about it.

Scoreboard is all that matters & we've got 8 more scoreboards to look at before it is all over.

damn must spread rep...good post!

what helps me is watching the NFL pipeline known as NCAA Football with each draft hope springs eternal

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

It's not an excuse. 2 touchdowns went away..... Foster's catch, then football move into the end-zone is the 7 points that would have won the game.

JJ no catch tip ball in the end zone is another.


The game plan was fine, or at least good enough to win.

That's entirely correct. The game plan was fine. At least good enough to win.

Why I still come back to Gary Kubiak is simple.

If the game plan wasn't up to snuff it's the head coach (already covered and not a factor here)

If the players don't execute then who picked those players? They're all Gary's kids. AJ is the only player on this roster that didn't come here under Gary's watch.

If the players aren't getting the coaching they need who chose the staff? Again we come back to the head coach.

One of the downsides to having 5 years to learn how not to suck is that by the time you get to your fifth year it really is all on you. Gary built the beast and it's a talented albeit undisciplined, inconsistent, and unfocused beast. That's in Gary's lap.

[wagonhed]

Originally Posted by GP

McNair is a businessman first and foremost. People can delude themselves all day long about how this isn't true and he really wants to win, and blah-blah-blah. Yes, to a degree he wants to win. But the business side of him is the dominant personality, IMO. And that's why Rick Smith is like Jesus to McNair, who is the Father. Forgive me, God, for even making that comparison. But the idea has merit: Rick is the faithful son who is doing his master's bidding.

You can talk about people "deluding themselves" until you're blue in the face, but the truth is all of these proclamations you are making are nothing but conjecture, pure and simple. You have no freaking idea what drives Bob McNair and what his "dominant personality" is. There are a whole lot of reasons you could be completely wrong about his personality, but I'm not going to bother listing them because they are also conjectures.

Oh, and no, that "idea" has no merit whatsoever. Faithful son doing his master's bidding? Seriously? As Keyshawn Johnson would say, Cmon man!

You know what they say about assumptions, after all.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

That's entirely correct. The game plan was fine. At least good enough to win.

Why I still come back to Gary Kubiak is simple.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

How different would things be here, if Foster's 3rd touchdown would have counted?

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe we are dealing with anything a good HC shouldn't be able to overcome.

[GP]

Originally Posted by wagonhed

You can talk about people "deluding themselves" until you're blue in the face, but the truth is all of these proclamations you are making are nothing but conjecture, pure and simple. You have no freaking idea what drives Bob McNair and what his "dominant personality" is. There are a whole lot of reasons you could be completely wrong about his personality, but I'm not going to bother listing them because they are also conjectures.

Oh, and no, that "idea" has no merit whatsoever. Faithful son doing his master's bidding? Seriously? As Keyshawn Johnson would say, Cmon man!

You know what they say about assumptions, after all.

How the GM constructs contracts, the terms of those deals, and the way Daniels and Ryans were put on the backburner when they wanted new deals, is an example of a business-first attitude. At every point along the way, the leadership is choosing to limit expenses. The only reason they franchised Dunta AND extended Kubiak was to guard themselves against potential increase in performance by those two guys, more specifically as it relates to the scenario of "What if Kubiak has a huge year? He's going to want more, or he's going to want to test the waters himself."

Therefore, they extended Kubiak out of self-preservation (financially). They took out an insurance policy, in other words.

Man, they even allowed AJ to do a dumb deal--since it benefited the Texans--and then they had to cough up the more acceptable amount of money on the NEW deal AJ forced the Texans into. Or else.

This franchise is very crafty when it comes to the public perception it has created for itself. The public relations department and the marketing team have done an excellent job of building and shaping the image. No reporter asks Kubiak the hard questions. Why? In New York, he would have been fired by now, due to the media pressure. But here? No, he gets the meat pitches he can hit out of the park. And nobody even says "Gary, you sure say 'It's on me' a lot. At what point do fans and players begin to believe you to the point that they want you to stop being the problem?" Could you imagine IF someone asked that question? Volcano Time. Evil stares at the reporter.

Dude, at some point, you have a body of work to judge things by. We have an even longer time to judge the ownership by. I mean, seriously, to sit there and say we have no clue about McNair? LOL. Okie dokie.

My conjectures are about the specifics, such as the absolute 100% definitive way that Bob McNair runs the team. The general information, such as retaining Carr, retaining Dunta, retaining Kubiak, and just showing an utter lack of risk-taking ability (outside of the Schaub deal, of course) by drawing a CLEAR CUT line in the sand, in terms of what gets Kubiak fired, is a sign that this owner is not nearly as interested in winning in the NFL as he is in trying to limit a loss of stability and predictability.

And THAT is why Kubiak fits so nicely: Because he, too, is predictable to the point of it being a negative. Bob McNair is all jacked up, IMO, in what he deems is acceptable. His pretty-boy 1st-round draft pick QB being the number 1 indicator of such ASSumption. Any other team, respectable team I should say, would not have retained him. It would have been Adios Time once the new head coach came in. I think it's fairly obvious that Kubiak was lying in order to get the job, by the way. There's no way Kubiak truthfully felt he could salvage him.

Of course, now that I think about it: From what I have seen this season, maybe Gary IS that ignorant.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by GP

How the GM constructs contracts, the terms of those deals, and the way Daniels and Ryans were put on the backburner when they wanted new deals, is an example of a business-first attitude. At every point along the way, the leadership is choosing to limit expenses. The only reason they franchised Dunta AND extended Kubiak was to guard themselves against potential increase in performance by those two guys, more specifically as it relates to the scenario of "What if Kubiak has a huge year? He's going to want more, or he's going to want to test the waters himself."

Therefore, they extended Kubiak out of self-preservation (financially). They took out an insurance policy, in other words.

Man, they even allowed AJ to do a dumb deal--since it benefited the Texans--and then they had to cough up the more acceptable amount of money on the NEW deal AJ forced the Texans to do a better deal. Or else.

This franchise is very crafty when it comes to the public perception it has created for itself. The public relations department and the marketing team have done an excellent job of building and shaping the image. No reporter asks Kubiak the hard questions. Why? In New York, he would have been fired by now, due to the media pressure. But here? No, he gets the meat pitches he can hit out of the park. And nobody even says "Gary, you sure say 'It's on me' a lot. At what point do fans and players begin to believe you to the point that they want you to stop being the problem?" Could you imagine IF someone asked that question? Volcano Time. Evil stares at the reporter.

Dude, at some point, you have a body of work to judge things by. We have an even longer time to judge the ownership by. I mean, seriously, to sit there and say we have no clue about McNair? LOL. Okie dokie.

My conjectures are about the specifics, such as the absolute 100% definitive way that Bob McNair runs the team. The general information, such as retaining Carr, retaining Dunta, retaining Kubiak, and just showing an utter lack of risk-taking ability (outside of the Schaub deal, of course) by drawing a CLEAR CUT line in the sand, in terms of what gets Kubiak fired, is a sign that this owner is not nearly as interested in winning in the NFL as he is in trying to limit a loss of stability and predictability.

And THAT is why Kubiak fits so nicely: Because he, too, is predictable to the point of it being a negative. Bob McNair is all jacked up, IMO, in what he deems is acceptable. His pretty-boy 1st-round draft pick QB being the number 1 indicator of such ASSumption. Any other team, respectable team I should say, would not have retained him. It would have been Adios Time once the new head coach came in. I think it's fairly obvious that Kubiak was lying in order to get the job, by the way. There's no way Kubiak truthfully felt he could salvage him.

Of course, now that I think about it: From what I have seen this season, maybe Gary IS that ignorant.

Hell, even in DALLAS the reporters ask tougher questions. It's a reason why Wade is being fired today at 4PM and Garrett will replace him as the interim head coach. Houston definitely needs some more hard-nosed reporters. Tired of Kubiak getting these softball questions. Tired of the SportsRadio 610 radio hosts acting all pissed and asking themselves tough questions about Kubiak, but when Kubiak is on with them, they act all buddy buddy. If I didn't have to work this afternoon, I'd try my best to call into the Gary Kubiak Show. Pretend like I'm going to ask one of those softball questions, so I can get by the equally soft screeners, but have the real question written down.

[GP]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Hell, even in DALLAS the reporters ask tougher questions. It's a reason why Wade is being fired today at 4PM and Garrett will replace him as the interim head coach. Houston definitely needs some more hard-nosed reporters. Tired of Kubiak getting these softball questions. Tired of the SportsRadio 610 radio hosts acting all pissed and asking themselves tough questions about Kubiak, but when Kubiak is on with them, they act all buddy buddy. If I didn't have to work this afternoon, I'd try my best to call into the Gary Kubiak Show. Pretend like I'm going to ask one of those softball questions, so I can get by the equally soft screeners, but have the real question written down.

Ask it in JUST this way:

"I want to know why we have had four-and-a-half straight years of a head coach saying 'it's on me' when we lose. Especially when we lose games we shouldn't. Games that were in the bag, so to speak. At some point, doesn't it make sense to resign as head coach and get out of the way? Could you be a MAN and give up the remainder of your head coaching contract dollars instead of milking it until you're fired? The fans deserve better. The players deserve better. All you're doing with the 'it's on me' comment is showing that you don't have what it takes to get your players over the finish line. You built a great offense, but your head coaching on game day is a train wreck. And I'm the only one on radio and TV posing the hardball question to you. Now give the fans a real answer, Coach Kubiak. Not the coach-speak. Explain yourself, please. Good-bye, and good luck." -- JoeTexan

LOL.

[Trail.Blazr]

To revisit a Kubiak quote from preseason:

"It's time for somebody else to win the AFC South, and we believe we have the team that can do it," said Kubiak, who's entering his fifth season as Texans head coach.

"Expectations are high," Kubiak said. "I know they're huge around the city, everywhere I go. I know they're huge in this room. All I can tell you is, they're even higher for us. We expect – we used to talk about wanting to do things. Now, as a team, we talk about expecting to do things. And we expect to be a playoff team. That's our goal."

"But also, we know – I know as a coach, we know as coaches, our players know – that the difference between winning and losing is so small. If you're not on, you can get beat any week. But if you're on, we can beat anybody. And it's my job to make sure that we're on."

With exception for week one... Epic FAIL


This speaks to all the BS spouted in this thread about you can't blame GK for player miscues, poor officiating, blah, blah, blah....

IT'S HIS JOB TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON!

I'm epically tired of excuses. Dexman, I'm stealing your sig!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by _superMario90_

To revisit a Kubiak quote from preseason:



With exception for week one... Epic FAIL


This speaks to all the BS spouted in this thread about you can't blame GK for player miscues, poor officiating, blah, blah, blah....

IT'S HIS JOB TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON!

I'm epically tired of excuses. Dexman, I'm stealing your sig!

Who's making excuses?

Everyone is saying this team sucks. The only difference between the soapers and the sunshine club, is that the sunshine club is saying wait till the end of the season before you fire your head coach.

The sunshiners don't think it's over, but come Jan 3, if we aren't getting ready for our first play-off game, I don't think there is anyone here saying we shouldn't part ways with Kubiak.

There may be some saying we won't, but that's not the same as saying we shouldn't.

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[Blake]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Who's making excuses?

Everyone is saying this team sucks. The only difference between the soapers and the sunshine club, is that the sunshine club is saying wait till the end of the season before you fire your head coach.

The sunshiners don't think it's over, but come Jan 3, if we aren't getting ready for our first play-off game, I don't think there is anyone here saying we shouldn't part ways with Kubiak.

There may be some saying we won't, but that's not the same as saying we shouldn't.

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I think a lot of us think one of the biggest problems with this team is the Jekyll and Hyde act. Which team will show up? The one that smoked Indy, or the one that layed down after the Giants punched them in the face? Thats the exact opposite of consistency, and keeping a team consistent is what the HC is supposed to do. I am not talking about playing well and coming out flat for the occasional game. This team has been playing up and down for years.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Who's making excuses?

Everyone is saying this team sucks. The only difference between the soapers and the sunshine club, is that the sunshine club is saying wait till the end of the season before you fire your head coach.

The sunshiners don't think it's over, but come Jan 3, if we aren't getting ready for our first play-off game, I don't think there is anyone here saying we shouldn't part ways with Kubiak.

There may be some saying we won't, but that's not the same as saying we shouldn't.

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Which "soapers" are calling for Kubiak to be fired now? I believe most people want him fired after the season if things continue to spiral downward. Which is expected considering our schedule and how we've been playing.

Personally, I don't think he'll be fired either way due to his recent extension. There might be a few heads roll, but I doubt it's his.

[False Start]