The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[GP]

Originally Posted by Lucky

It's not the coaching changes, but the coaching selections (and the team management) that have set these franchises back.

None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"

[GNTLEWOLF]

Originally Posted by GP

None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"

This must be a universal experience...and yes I understand the frustration with BOB

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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[GNTLEWOLF]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GNTLEWOLF

The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.

That's not the point. Anything less than a strong play-off showing, I want Kubiak out of here.

The point is of the 4 teams I've mentioned, the ones with less coaching changes are closer to being true contenders (IMO). I believe that is because the stability allowed a base to be built.

Sooner or later, a good coach is going to build a team that anyone should be able to have success with. That's how you get your Eric Mangini's, genius one year, dud the next.

This team is at that point right now. Any competent coach should be able to take our present team deep into the play-offs.

Kubiak's got 9 games to prove that he is one of those competent coaches.... I think he is.

We'll find out.

Of course, if we're 11-5 or 12-4 & some how miss the play-offs, I'm not going to hold that against him. However if someone like DexmanC can figure out the scenarios that would keep Kubiak out at 10-6, Kubiak should as well, and coach accordingly.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by GNTLEWOLF

The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.

I don't know about you but option B scares the bejeezus out of me.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by GP

None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"

that's got to be the sickest thing I've read in this forum.
[steps far away from GP]

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

that's got to be the sickest thing I've read in this forum.
[steps far away from GP]

I seriously wonder if you'll ever own up after all the nit picking people's posts you've done over the years after blindly supporting Kubiak if he goes a 5th season where he fails to make this team a true winner again in season 5.

[RTP2110]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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In no way do I want our team to have a track record like that!

But, I think your post has a really valuable lesson in though. What I see there is teams realizing that it doesn't take 5+ years to be able to tell if a guy is a good head coach. The teams on that list hired those coaches, and it didn't take them long to realize that they weren't gonna cut it. I don't think anyone of those coaches on that list were (are) going to turn things around if they just had more time. It's not like any of them were fired prematurely and then went on to be successful anywhere else. Than maybe you could say they needed more time.

Hell, Tony Dungy had strong teams in TB every year, but couldn't get over the hump. They won their SB after they fired him.


(TK, I'm not directing this post at you. I'm just pointing out the story that jumped out at me in your post)

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I seriously wonder if you'll ever own up after all the nit picking people's posts you've done over the years after blindly supporting Kubiak if he goes a 5th season where he fails to make this team a true winner again in season 5.

The same day you take down that Cowher signature.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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hmmm...

1. Detroit Lions
2. Houston Texans
3. SF 49ers
4. Buffalo Bills.

And it's kind of a toss up between the Texans and the Lions from a young talent perspective. But the Lions' division isn't as tough as ours (Indy + Tenn. + Jags > GB + Minn + Chicago, IMHO) is so I'd go to Detroit first if I was looking to be an instant success. SF isn't in too tough a division either, but I think they need to find solid QB and a decent offensive coordinator to go with him. It would be tough to fill both those holes right away.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by RTP2110

In no way do I want our team to have a track record like that!

But, I think your post has a really valuable lesson in though. What I see there is teams realizing that it doesn't take 5+ years to be able to tell if a guy is a good head coach. The teams on that list hired those coaches, and it didn't take them long to realize that they weren't gonna cut it. I don't think anyone of those coaches on that list were (are) going to turn things around if they just had more time. It's not like any of them were fired prematurely and then went on to be successful anywhere else. Than maybe you could say they needed more time.

Hell, Tony Dungy had strong teams in TB every year, but couldn't get over the hump. They won their SB after they fired him.


(TK, I'm not directing this post at you. I'm just pointing out the story that jumped out at me in your post)

I think Mike Nolan would make a good head coach. I don't think he had enough time. I liked what he was doing in San Fran, he was finally putting a team together, and they pulled the rope.

I like Singletary, but what they are going through now, shows you it's going to take a little more than a good speach, right now. They are still young, making young mistakes, but everyone's got them thinking they are a vet team, bonafide play-off contenders... & it's just too early for them.

Maybe if Nolan was still there. Actually, Nolan & Martz. I'd give Nolan another opportunity in a heartbeat, if I were in team building mode.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

The same day you take down that Cowher signature.

Won't ever happen as long as Kubes is here. I'm actually about to put up the latest more current one.

[Carr Bombed]

Win of lose, I'll be sporting pink soap after this game.

Kubiak is a bigger clown than Capers and Casserly combined....a complete dumbass.

[Carr Bombed]

can we please flush this terd already? Wake the **** up Bob!

[Mr. Texan]

done.

get this bum out of houston

[DX-TEX]

I cant take it anymore! Nothing will be done, the Houston media will be all up in Kubiaks ass defending him and Kubiak will say its all on him.

[Stemp]

Originally Posted by DX-TEX

I cant take it anymore! Nothing will be done, the Houston media will be all up in Kubiaks ass defending him and Kubiak will say its all on him.

I just can't put this loss on him. We all know what the defense is. Kubiak didn't make the refs call that horrible grounding call on Schuab and he didn't make Johnson bounce the ball off his knee and to the defender. We were in the game but just couldn't get the ball bouncing our way.

It's terribly obvious that K Jackson is a severe liability.

[The Cush]

Remember when Detroit fans would chant FIREEE MILLENNNN! (clap, clap,...clapclapclap) FIREEE MILLENNNN!! (clap, clap,...clapclapclap)

We need to do that to Kubiak

[wagonhed]

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