The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by spurstexanstros

so last time the soapers got what they wanted and richard smith was fired and now the defense is worse off....the same soapers now want Kubiak gone for what a chance(thats it a chance) to aim for Cowher when more than likely get a dennis green type...


Kubiak has improved this team every year he has been here and you want to get rid of him...the logic of some on this board escapes me.

Kubiak has definitely increased the talent on this team. The problem is, he isn't taken this talent ANYWHERE. I really hope that I'm proven wrong the rest of this season, but I highly doubt it. That Indy game on MNF was enough for me.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by spurstexanstros

so last time the soapers got what they wanted and richard smith was fired and now the defense is worse off....the same soapers now want Kubiak gone for what a chance(thats it a chance) to aim for Cowher when more than likely get a dennis green type...

Dare to dream. And by the way, the defense is worse off because Kubiak (our esteemed HC) hired a coach from the worst unit on the team (the defense). It's a lot like when Capers fired Palmer as OC and promoted the OL coach after the OL had been atrocious. Doesn't make a lot of sense, huh?

Originally Posted by spurstexanstros

so he gets no credit for the 4 wins? and the 1 red zone offense in the league ( an improvement over last year)

Sure he gets credit for the 4 wins - the same credit he had this time last year, as he was 4-3 then, too.

Look, you can quote improvement in this area or that all you want, but the one area that everyone agrees he's improved the team is overall talent. So people want to see that overall talent WIN GAMES - more than last year, in case you're wondering. And I think everyone has said that Kubiak gets this year, it's just that some of us have zero faith he'll get to the playoffs this year. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, but we're not morons for predicting it, and if we end up right, we aren't the ones calling y'all morons for believing.

Furthermore, fans don't want to see the team come out playing like total s&^t FIVE GAMES THIS YEAR. We were lucky to win two of those, but five out of seven games this year, the team has come out and played like crap.

That is a trend, from which information can be gleaned.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Kubiak has definitely increased the talent on this team. The problem is, he isn't taken this talent ANYWHERE. I really hope that I'm proven wrong the rest of this season, but I highly doubt it. That Indy game on MNF was enough for me.

This team didn't even know how to play football before Kubiak got here. We were ranked in the bottom of the league in almost every category imaginable. Points, yards, wins, red zone, turnovers, whatever. If there was a spot for last place, we were either in it, or pretty damn close.

Kubiak has brought us a top rankings in several categories on both sides of the ball. We're struggling right now as a defense, & I know he gets the blame for that, but I'm confident that is about to turn around.

I know we lost, and the "improvement" is intangible & didn't help us worth a damn this game, just saying there was "improvement"

Sept, the leading receiver had 163 yards and a touchdown. he was targeted 12 times & caught 11 balls.

Nov, the leading receiver had 78 yards he was targeted 11 times, caught 7 balls. No touchdowns. (it was also interesting how they made the call to put KJack on Garson when they got in the redzone. on that possession, Garson was killing McCain. Peyton went to Wayne (attacking McCain I believe) & McCain did his job keeping Wayne off his route).

Reggie Wayne was targeted 10 times, caught 7 balls for 99 yards & a touchdown in Sept. He was targeted 12 times caught 4 balls for 39 yards and a touchdown Monday night.

Peyton Manning 433 yards 3 TDs sacked twice in Sept. 268 yards, 2 TDs, sacked once in November.

We didn't win the game. Any improvement I may have seen didn't amount to squat in that game or any game prior. I'm looking towards the future & see a glimmer of hope.

[GP]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Kubiak has definitely increased the talent on this team. The problem is, he isn't taken this talent ANYWHERE. I really hope that I'm proven wrong the rest of this season, but I highly doubt it. That Indy game on MNF was enough for me.

I see no new formations on offense. All I see are long, slow-developing pass plays that end up with Schaub triple-pumping the football while dancing as he stands in place, trying to wait for the play to fully develop, and he barely gets the ball off OR gets sacked.

This crap is wearing down everyone. It weighs down the offensive line who has to pass block longer than they should. It's hurting Schaub (physically) and causing him to develop Carr Syndrome. The receivers and TEs aren't open anymore and can't even turn around to find the ball because Schaub is on the turf or scrambled away and out of position to throw the ball.

This offensive coordinator, Dennison, has screwed up the offense. Period. And Kubiak isn't stepping in and taking control. Or is he? Whose freaking fault is it, ultimately, that after Game 1 of this season our offense cannot adjust, will not adjust, and decides to just repeat the same mistakes for an entire game?

No new formations, pitiful audibling, long-developing pass plays that almost always end horrificly (unless the DB falls down on the play), a fundamentally stupid decision to NOT run for 200 yards on The Manning. How can the coaches be so blind as to do all of these things, repeatedly, and NOT learn for the mistakes?

It makes me wonder if the coaches and players actually care. Wouldn't someone stop and ask themselves, "Gee, what we have been doing is NOT working. Maybe we need to stop everything we're doing, cancel things that are on the plate this week, and just run through some new options or get back to our roots on things."

I want to see more three-step drops and quick pass plays that GETS THE BALL IN THE HANDS OF OUR RECEIVERS AND TEs. I want to see more rushing plays with Foster. And I think our defense would agree with me. As bad as they are, they at least deserve to get a break every now and then.

This team is two bad games from imploding. Completely. You'll see gossip to the media, like when Dunta called out Carr, you'll see guys not even looking at each other on the sidelines. You'll see people just let routes go, or slow down on a route, or not make an effort to get both feet inbounds on a pass catch attempt, etc. Mark my words, Kubiak's job is on the line during these next two games. He wouldn't get canned after these two games...but it will signify that the players will say "Adios" to Gurry Kubiak.

There's no sense of urgency. And Kubiak and Smith have run this team like a cult. Reporters don't ask hard questions. Moves are made by Kubiak that insult the average person's intelligence. Basically, they do whatever they want and never have to face accountability for it. That's what a cult does: It operates outside the normal, standard procedures and cultural mores...it threatens members with ostracization if the members don't totally buy in, and it doesn't care about how it appears to the outside world. It's in its own world. Its own realm.

Kubiak is a space cadet at this point. He left the earth, and he's clueless as to what's happening down on earth where everyone else is living. And yet HE is in charge, he knows better than anybody else, etc. LOL.

This is a recipe for a firing. Plain and simple.

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This team didn't even know how to play football before Kubiak got here.

Correction: This team, prior to Kubiak, didn't know how to build a better offense and gather the players necessary for it. And the GM was a doofus when it came to players' contracts. Both those things have been made better, by a mile, but that's NOT the current issue TK.

Look, TK, you are separating OFFENSE BUILDING and HEAD COACHING.

Two entirely separate entities.

Yes, a big fat "THANK YOU!" to Kubiak for creating this offense. He's a great construction man. But it takes more than building it. Period.

It's as if Kubiak is resting on his laurels. He's coasting now. "Hey, I built this $#@! thing, what more can I do?!?!?"

That's not what we need now. We need the guy who can stand a thousand feet above the ground and survey things and know what to do...for EACH AND EVERY team we face and how best to exploit their weaknesses.

Kubiak's obviously trotting his offense out there and saying "We're going to do THESE things and make them stop us." Of course, this begs the question: "Why didn't he do vs. the Colts in the MNF game that he was succesful with in week 1 vs. the Colts?" I need an answer, please. I don't wnat your spin. I don't want your theories.

ONE SIMPLE QUESTION: "Why, for the love of Pete Rozelle, did Gary Kubiak NOT employ and utilize the very same recipe in the second Colts game that he used in the second half of the Colts game during week 1?" In the second half of the Colts game, we utilized Foster. He didn't even get the rock in the first half of week 1. A little, I concede, but not like he did in the second half.

At halftime of week 1, they switched their tactics. To great success. I guess that tactic was good for only one half of football? Our opponent didn't change, TK. They didn't do anything in about 4 weeks of time that makes them able to stop the run. Our leaders, however, DID. They CHOSE to not run the ball.

You have to stop this argumentative mindset pertaining to whether GK is a good coach, or WILL be a good coach. The results are in. He's NOT. Great builder of offenses, poor strategist when it comes to planning for opponents.

That second bit is what gets him fired at the end of this season. The players can't overcome it. The guy built a Ferrari, but he decided one day to take thengine out and replace it with a Yugo engine. Then, one day, he decided to put the original motor back in. Then, he decides to take it out and put in a Prius engine. He can't figure out why the car won't drive. Duh.

[tedr]

Even under the worst situations, has any other coach gotten five years (with no playoffs) to build a team? I would love for Coach Kubiak to take us to the promised land- but I don't think it's going to happen. I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong. However, it's frustrating that this team (players and coach) is still doing some of the same boneheaded things we've seen for years. It's like they're not learning from their mistakes. How can that be?

I understand that the team is much better than when Coach Kubiak arrived, but they need to take the next step, and I don't see that happening with the current coaching staff.

[HJam72]

Kubiak is supposed to be a run first coach, with the whole ZBS and everything. I believe Foster had like 8.5 yds. per carry in the first half....AND WE STILL DIDN'T RUN THE BALL NEARLY ENOUGH....AGAINST MANNING.

That says a lot to me.

You see exactly what works in the first game and you still don't have enough sense to do it again? I think Kubiak should be a draft expert, not a coach.

[Rey]

The thing is, I would not be upset if they fired Kubiak right now. I don't really think it'd be completely in the teams best interest....

But Kubiak hasn't really done a lot lately that makes me say that he is a must keep coach.

[HTown2ATX]

I keep trying to believe he can take us to the playoffs but am 1 embarrassing loss away from using the soap.

I have been somewhat on the fence, criticizing the hell out of him and recognizing the faults with no rosy glasses, but at the same time allowing myself to believe we are juuuuuuuuust at the cusp.

This next game against SD may do it for me. If they lose a close one, ok as I think SD is better than their record. But if they sport the soiled panty crapfest like they did against NYG, INDY, DAL, etc..... It may be soap time for me finally.

I heard a Kubiak clip on the radio where he was downplaying Home Field as just another game once it starts. I must be misguided as I remember Home Feild supposed to be an Advantage you know. I think it is just ridiculous to take that attitude.

[Blake]

Boo-urns.

If I dont see Kubiak win the Jets or Ravens game he should be fired.

He also needs to AT LEAST split with the Jags and Titans. That is non-negotiable.

I am only asking him to win 4 games here. I dont think thats too harsh.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Rey

The thing is, I would not be upset if they fired Kubiak right now. I don't really think it'd be completely in the teams best interest....

Lol that would be perfectly in line with their Carr 3 year, 8 million extension and then dumping him after year 1. So you might be right.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Lol that would be perfectly in line with their Carr 3 year, 8 million extension and then dumping him after year 1. So you might be right.

I still have no idea why Kubiak got the extension during the offseason. For what?

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

I still have no idea why Kubiak got the extension during the offseason. For what?

Safety - The Bob McNair way.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

I still have no idea why Kubiak got the extension during the offseason. For what?

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

Safety - The Bob McNair way.

McNair said something about stability. Like he didnt want contract issues to affect his coaching, and his coaching staff.

But he will let players like Daniels ass hang in the wind all season.

[houstonspartan]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

I keep trying to believe he can take us to the playoffs but am 1 embarrassing loss away from using the soap.

I have been somewhat on the fence, criticizing the hell out of him and recognizing the faults with no rosy glasses, but at the same time allowing myself to believe we are juuuuuuuuust at the cusp.

This next game against SD may do it for me. If they lose a close one, ok as I think SD is better than their record. But if they sport the soiled panty crapfest like they did against NYG, INDY, DAL, etc..... It may be soap time for me finally.

I heard a Kubiak clip on the radio where he was downplaying Home Field as just another game once it starts. I must be misguided as I remember Home Feild supposed to be an Advantage you know. I think it is just ridiculous to take that attitude.

Homefield is defintely an advantage. He should have known that the very first game of the season when Peyton Manning, oh, I don't know, COULDN'T HEAR A DAMN THING because we were screaming so loud.

Yeesh. Dumbass.

I have tickets to the game Sunday and I almost don't want to go.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This team didn't even know how to play football before Kubiak got here. We were ranked in the bottom of the league in almost every category imaginable. Points, yards, wins, red zone, turnovers, whatever. If there was a spot for last place, we were either in it, or pretty damn close.

Kubiak has brought us a top rankings in several categories on both sides of the ball. We're struggling right now as a defense, & I know he gets the blame for that, but I'm confident that is about to turn around.

I know we lost, and the "improvement" is intangible & didn't help us worth a damn this game, just saying there was "improvement"

Sept, the leading receiver had 163 yards and a touchdown. he was targeted 12 times & caught 11 balls.

Nov, the leading receiver had 78 yards he was targeted 11 times, caught 7 balls. No touchdowns. (it was also interesting how they made the call to put KJack on Garson when they got in the redzone. on that possession, Garson was killing McCain. Peyton went to Wayne (attacking McCain I believe) & McCain did his job keeping Wayne off his route).

Reggie Wayne was targeted 10 times, caught 7 balls for 99 yards & a touchdown in Sept. He was targeted 12 times caught 4 balls for 39 yards and a touchdown Monday night.

Peyton Manning 433 yards 3 TDs sacked twice in Sept. 268 yards, 2 TDs, sacked once in November.

We didn't win the game. Any improvement I may have seen didn't amount to squat in that game or any game prior. I'm looking towards the future & see a glimmer of hope.

Do we stay glued to Kubiak because he was our "first?"

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

I keep trying to believe he can take us to the playoffs but am 1 embarrassing loss away from using the soap.

I have been somewhat on the fence, criticizing the hell out of him and recognizing the faults with no rosy glasses, but at the same time allowing myself to believe we are juuuuuuuuust at the cusp.

Ever considered that we probably are just on the cusp, and that it's probably Kubiak preventing us from getting over it?

[Thorn]

When the Texans are numerically eliminated from the play offs, I'll swap out the Sarge for some soap. But only for a while just so everyone knows which camp I'm in.

But I'm gonna give Kubiak the benefit of the doubt and wait until we are done and toasted for the year. Which I believe will happen. I’m just not seeing the Texans in the playoffs this year the way they are going right now.

I would rather have grey soap though, I don't really like the pink or green for some reason.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This team didn't even know how to play football before Kubiak got here. We were ranked in the bottom of the league in almost every category imaginable.

Lots of people didn't know how to have sex before they lost their virginity. Doesn't mean you stay with that person for ever. Doesn't mean that person is the best person for you. Doesn't even mean that person will be your best lover.

Kubiak has improved the team...no dispute from me on that...

But that doesn't mean he is the coach to take us to that next level. Every year it's looking less likely that he will get us to the level that we want to be at.

[DexmanC]

Football careers are SHORT, compared to ANY of the other professional
sports. Why handcuff these players to a mediocre coach for their
entire career? Don't they deserve an opportunity to win before their
careers are ended? FIVE SEASONS is more than HALF of a football player's
career IF HE'S LUCKY.