The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

How many times have people said that about the Colts?

They beat the Texans with an ugly 4th Qtr miracle. If that defense keeps playing like that, they won't make it to the post season.

The Texans have never demonstrated the ability to win consistently for
even a SINGLE SEASON, the Colts are the model for "consistency in winning."
Skins on the wall back a lot of critics off. The
Texans need to pretend everybody's from Missouri and "SHOW ME"
something.

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Stick your spin where it don't shine. The common measuring stick used by every commentator around for O's, D's, QB's, RB's, etc. is yards and that's what I used. You might notice it is the default sorting criteria on the stat sites. But I guess Schaub wasn't really the "leading passer" last year because he didn't have the most passing TD's and CJ wasn't the "leading rusher" because he didn't have the most rushing TD's.

Touchdowns, especially on a team basis, is what counts IMO. But I'll bite. Let's take a larger sample size and look at the ten worst teams in yards allowed per game. Their combined record: 25-30. Take the Texans out of that list and add in the next worst defense by your standards (the Raiders), and they are a combined 23-32. Take that and stick it "where it don't shine."

[HTown2ATX]

Lol. I just had a funny thought in my head.

Defending this Defense is like that Iraq information minister who kept swearing up and down that the US was not in Iraq. LMAO.

I can almost hear him now in the report of the game as play by play while a DB gets smoked "there are NO WR's in the secondary!!"

(FYI...this was not an insult at anyone...just something funny that popped into my head.)

[gary]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

The Texans have never demonstrated the ability to win consistently for
even a SINGLE SEASON, the Colts are the model for "consistency in winning."
Skins on the wall back a lot of critics off. The
Texans need to pretend everybody's from Missouri and "SHOW ME"
something.

Exactly.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

I guarantee you the Texans will play in January!!

I'll top you on that prediction by guaranteeing that the Texans will play the Jaguars in January!
I see what you did there...

Originally Posted by gary

The Cheifs lost the game with a comeback by the Texans but if the D continues to stink then after the bye things will get ugly.

The team is 4-2 with that defense, so your prediction is pessimistic, at best.

I think Texans fans are sailing unchartered waters with a 4-2 record and are not sure what to do with themselves. I'll admit that it's shaky ground, but I'm going to enjoy it while we've got it. The future will be here soon enough, and our record will be somewhere between 14-2 and 4-12.

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

The team is 4-2 with that defense, so your prediction is pessimistic, at best.

I think Texans fans are sailing unchartered waters with a 4-2 record and are not sure what to do with themselves. I'll admit that it's shaky ground, but I'm going to enjoy it while we've got it. The future will be here soon enough, and our record will be somewhere between 14-2 and 4-12.

Good outlook DB. I will do my best to join you in this frame of mind.

[texansdrummer]

Originally Posted by bckey

Every Texans fans is extremely happy that they are 4-2. Some of us are looking at this defense (On track to be possibly the worst ever in NFL history against the pass) and then looking at the remaining games on the schedule and we see big trouble. The Titans and Colts have the same record as the Texans as well. The Texans have never had a winning record in their own division under Kubiak. I don't see how they can pull 6 wins out of the remaining 10 games which is what they will likely need to make the playoffs. I'm sorry if that sounds negative but this defense is that bad unless you are watching through TK's glasses.

It will take a good move before the trade deadline today or a miracle street free agent pickup to save this season. Kubiak's kids just aren't getting it done on defense.

Given that we went without Cush for four games, Andre for a game, and Duane Brown for a few, could you have seen how we could be 4-2 including a win vs. Indy right now?

Incidentally, I don't recall seeing TK purporting that the defense has been anything BUT bad (Aside from some select moments). No idea where you're pulling that from - please, do tell/show.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I'll top you on that prediction by guaranteeing that the Texans will play the Jaguars in January!
I see what you did there...



The team is 4-2 with that defense, so your prediction is pessimistic, at best.

I think Texans fans are sailing unchartered waters with a 4-2 record and are not sure what to do with themselves. I'll admit that it's shaky ground, but I'm going to enjoy it while we've got it. The future will be here soon enough, and our record will be somewhere between 14-2 and 4-12.

I'm on board with this.

I'm enjoying the moment.

Hoping for improvement on both sides of the ball coming out of the break.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by texansdrummer

Given that we went without Cush for four games, Andre for a game, and Duane Brown for a few, could you have seen how we could be 4-2 including a win vs. Indy right now?

Incidentally, I don't recall seeing TK purporting that the defense has been anything BUT bad (Aside from some select moments). No idea where you're pulling that from - please, do tell/show.

A bit of devine intervention has helped the Texans reach a 4-2 record.

Heres hoping that it continues.

[texansdrummer]

The accusatory "celebrating that we're 4-2" diatribe on here is ridiculous. I have yet to see a post where anyone is "celebrating" 4-2 or making predictions of a SB.

I guess if you're pleased that we are 4-2, it counts as "celebrating"?

Some of you need to get out more often........

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by texansdrummer

Given that we went without Cush for four games, Andre for a game, and Duane Brown for a few, could you have seen how we could be 4-2 including a win vs. Indy right now?

Incidentally, I don't recall seeing TK purporting that the defense has been anything BUT bad (Aside from some select moments). No idea where you're pulling that from - please, do tell/show.

Only because you asked, here is one where TK says the "problem is on offense":

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Agreed.

People want to get on me for saying that our problem is the offense, not the defense. They are ok with the "easy" answer, the answer the stats point to.

IMHO, you have to look at who our head coach is, and how our team is built.

Kubiak came from Denver & San Francisco. Their defenses only looked good (great??) because of the offense. Get ahead early on the score board, shut down the run, get after the QB. That's the way it was done. If we can get out early on offense, our small quick defensive line will get you a 3 & out. They've done it this year several times, giving the offense the ball, giving us an opportunity to get on the board, tie the game, or take the lead.

You don't go down by 24 points, (or whatever we spotted Washington) then come back to tie, then take the lead, unless the defense gets a few stops in there somewhere.

We've got a DL with 4 quarter horses.... no thoroughbreds. We aren't built to spend 40+ minutes on the field on defense. I know, you're saying if they get their 3 & outs, they won't be on the field...... check the play by play, go watch the games again.... it's ridiculous how many opportunities our offense had to put points on the board, yet they couldn't get a first down.

Kubiak is playing it up, letting the media jump all over his defense, allowing the offense to figure it out, without a lot of outside pressure. The defense is taking one for the team.

But our problem is on offense.

Show me a game where Schaub & the O click coming out of the gate, & I swear you will see a dominating defensive performance.

Understand the Colts game was game 1 without Cushing & with a rookie CB..... but any game after week 3, if our O would have showed up early, we would have seen a show.

It's an interesting take, TK, and I'm certainly not trying to call you out. Even though I disagree with your overall premise (I think the defense is horrible), I respect your thoughts and the time you put into presenting them to us.

Originally Posted by Ckw5814

Good outlook DB. I will do my best to join you in this frame of mind.

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I'm on board with this.

I'm enjoying the moment.

Hoping for improvement on both sides of the ball coming out of the break.

Thanks, y'all, just trying to talk everyone off the ledge for the moment. We've got plenty of season left to start looking down at the street below, so I figure just appreciate and enjoy this historical 4-2 point...and hope with all of our hearts that this is not the highlight of our season! (Because if it is, then we need to take advantage and enjoy it fully! lol!)

I think we need to realize that we won't be dominating many (or any) teams over the next 10 games, but by the same token, these are Kubiak's Cardiac Kids, so don't turn the game off until 0:00 is on the clock. It's just that kind of year.

[texansdrummer]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Only because you asked, here is one where TK says the "problem is on offense":

Fair enough - He says there are problems on offense. There are. Otherwise, it's arguably very speculative in that we haven't exactly dominated early on offense. It's an interesting take - I'm sure the overwhelming majority of us blame the defense and see FAR more problems there. Still don't really get that he's making the claim that the defense is playing "good" per se, more that they might play well if the offense produced more out of the gate.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

The Texans have never demonstrated the ability to win consistently for
even a SINGLE SEASON, the Colts are the model for "consistency in winning."
Skins on the wall back a lot of critics off. The
Texans need to pretend everybody's from Missouri and "SHOW ME"
something.

Originally Posted by gary

Exactly.

Not really. My point, is that they don't say that about the Colts, because their offense shows up every game. They aren't relying on their defense to win any games.

They could be in the bottom quartile of the league in the run game for the last 6 years, but it isn't a big concern, because they have that offense.

The game against Miami is one that comes to mind. Miami ran that wildcat all up & down the Colts, controlled the ball for 45+ minutes.

But that offense was able to score enough points for the win regardless.

Scroll to the bottom of this link Indy had to score 27 points in 14:53

They had to score more than 23 points in 5 games last year. But no one is crying about their defense.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Ckw5814

Touchdowns, especially on a team basis, is what counts IMO. But I'll bite. Let's take a larger sample size and look at the ten worst teams in yards allowed per game. Their combined record: 25-30. Take the Texans out of that list and add in the next worst defense by your standards (the Raiders), and they are a combined 23-32. Take that and stick it "where it don't shine."

So how does that counter the argument that the Patriots & Skins are winning right now?

The three worst defenses in the league right now, are
30: New England
31: Houston
32: Washington

I think infantrycak's point is still valid... unless you think we have more in common with Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, & Oakland...... I'd like to see that argument.

[spurstexanstros]

as bad as our d has been playing it just comes down to one play or should I say 1 down. Third down is the key for this team. I bet when the Texans stop a team on third down their winning pct is pretty good. Yds and the big play dont concern me too much it is making stops on third down tha I believe are the key to this teams success. For example when the team went on win streak last year I believe they led the league in that category last year. They still gave up alot of yards but they got the ball back in the hands of the high powerd offense and that is how this team wins games.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Not really. My point, is that they don't say that about the Colts, because their offense shows up every game. They aren't relying on their defense to win any games.

They could be in the bottom quartile of the league in the run game for the last 6 years, but it isn't a big concern, because they have that offense.

The game against Miami is one that comes to mind. Miami ran that wildcat all up & down the Colts, controlled the ball for 45+ minutes.

But that offense was able to score enough points for the win regardless.

Scroll to the bottom of this link Indy had to score 27 points in 14:53

They had to score more than 23 points in 5 games last year. But no one is crying about their defense.

No one takes a microsope to the Colts, because they win 10-12 games
a year. Going in-depth to highlight their weaknesses is "nit-picking."
You finish with 10-12 wins every dang year, people will give you the
benefit of the doubt when you lose.

The Texans lose as much as they win, and have for the last three
seasons. Thus, people will break this team down to a microscopic level
to determine WHY the Texans can't seem to reach the "10-12 win-per-year" club.

The Colts are the Colts. The Texans are the Texans.
The Texans have YET to prove they belong on the same FIELD as the Colts.
MNF is a huge game. The Texans must win this division, before they win
new believers. MNF will go a long way to show "where this team's 'hoyt' is at!"

[HTown2ATX]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

The three worst defenses in the league right now, are
30: New England
31: Houston
32: Washington

All that proves is that all 3 teams are in the same boat and better change some things.

Division by division.

New England - Miami and NYJ are right there and have much better defense. Think New England comes out 1st or 2nd in that if they don't change things?

Washington - Really think they are gonna keep winning and are not a fluke?? I mean like for real, for real? Not to even mention division with Eagles and Giants.

Houston - We all know our division and we all saw bumblescum mountain whoop JAX last night. So, no need to break down the obvious.

[Livid13]

Originally Posted by texansdrummer

The accusatory "celebrating that we're 4-2" diatribe on here is ridiculous. I have yet to see a post where anyone is "celebrating" 4-2 or making predictions of a SB.

I guess if you're pleased that we are 4-2, it counts as "celebrating"?

Some of you need to get out more often........

You're right, there's absolutely NO need to celebrate being atop the division. BTW, I get out quite often.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It's an interesting take, TK, and I'm certainly not trying to call you out. Even though I disagree with your overall premise (I think the defense is horrible), I respect your thoughts and the time you put into presenting them to us.

No worries. Gives us something to talk about.

But, even in that post, I'm saying our best defense is our offense. Our D is suspect for all the reasons mentioned already. We have work to do on our D...... eventually we should be able to expect them to win a few games for us.

I'm just saying they have never been that for us. Not even last year, when their stats were crazy over the last 13 games. The offense did it's thing, which allowed our guys to go 100% in short bursts...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by texansdrummer

Fair enough - He says there are problems on offense. There are. Otherwise, it's arguably very speculative in that we haven't exactly dominated early on offense. It's an interesting take - I'm sure the overwhelming majority of us blame the defense and see FAR more problems there. Still don't really get that he's making the claim that the defense is playing "good" per se, more that they might play well if the offense produced more out of the gate.

I'm saying the numbers (stats) wouldn't look so bad if the offense did it's part.