The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[wagonhed]

Oh and another thing. I think our 4-2 record says a lot more about the talent on our team than it does about our coaching. They are winning in spite of the coaching, imo.

[Scooter]

anybody remember the 2 win texans season? that's the roster kubiak started with, let that sink in before reading further.

kubiak has replaced every player on the roster but AJ, is sporting the youngest starting 22 in the league (again), and still may not have completed his coaching staff (if kubiak's here next season, marciano wont be without dramatic improvements). everyone here and in both local and national media talks about the great young talent we have ... that kubiak has brought in, while dumping salary, while somehow accumulating excess cap room, while holding onto draft picks. just about everyone short of the patriots, ravens, and steelers want to be able to build that well that fast ... and they've had a 30 year head start.

those two win texans i mentioned earlier? in under 5 seasons kubiak has a winning record already as a head coach. we're 4-2 heading into our bye week. we're leading arguably the toughest division in the NFL with a week to get healthy and return our starting LT.

our defense is getting destroyed, i get it. we live in houston and expect the worst, i get it. to be bitching about where we are now, especially after a win where we fought until the final seconds is absolutely absurd.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Scooter

anybody remember the 2 win texans season? that's the roster kubiak started with, let that sink in before reading further.

OK, now that it's sunk in, let me offer a bit of alternative perspective on that.

1.) This is Kubiak's team. He built it, he chooses who plays, and he's responsible for the result.

2.) Take a look at other teams in the NFL that have rebuilt their roster in similar timeframes and check their results. Sure, you have teams like the Saints, but you also have teams like the Falcons and Dolphins and now the Chiefs. Coaches don't get 5 years in this league without making the playoffs. Other teams can get there, so we damn sure need to expect it from ours.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

It has nothing to do with fan expectations. The team extended him, and Kubiak has built this team into what it is. So Kubiak can get up there and talk about how Earl Mitchell is the type of DT they want, or that they think they'll be fine at the S position, or that they need yet another TE instead of help on D. But show me. If he actually thinks all that, then he needs to win with it.

Moreover, firing the coach in mid-season is just flushing the season down the tubes. There's still a chance that they can make the playoffs with a terrible defense, although that chance seems to be diminishing each week. And even if they do make it, they'll get their asses handed to them. But if you fire Kubiak in mid-season, the team is finished.

So start warming up the interview skills for the off-season and just hope in the meantime. It's all we can do.

Oh, I'm not suggesting that the Texans fire him in mid season. That would be a waste of time, because it would never happen any way. Although, that wouldn't bother me one bit, because at least I wouldn't have to worry about a playoff appearance saving his job and getting him a longer extension which it certainly will if the Texans make the playoffs. I can't stand Kubes, but I'm forced to root for him and this team with zero confidence that he'll ever take them to the SB and we've got a good enough roster to get there right now if we had the right HC to lead them.

This team is still the same inconsistent team that they were last season though. When physical teams punch them in the mouth, the Texans fold. They play for half a game, and it's just awful to watch an uninspired team that's such a reflection on their HC. This offense bails Gary's ineptitude out time and time again. Kubiak reminds me a lot of Mack brown, but at least Brown went out and got the best defensive mind in the country that could camoflouge him and GD's awful offensive play calling. Gary went with Frank Bush after Smith.

[Livid13]

Come on guys/gals, please feel free to pile on without any retribution. WHY, WHY does this thread exist ? We're 4-2 , on top of the division and can beat the Jags, Titans and Indy.......TWICE. I know this is a board comprised of VERY intelligent and savvy fans, but come ON. YES, this team is horrid on defense. YES, we are an extremely inconsistant club, but we won a game today that we HAD to have. I get tired of reading all of the half hearted compliments to the team as a whole and the downright JADED comments of weary TEXANS fans. Feel free to point out bone headed coaching decisions, poor play (at times) and an overall malaise. Just remember how you all felt when we lost our OLD franchise and how thrilled you were to get a second chance in the NFL. I'm not saying go tripping all over yourselves with blind optimisim, but we have won games that would have been losses in years past. How about some unbridled love, if for only an afternoon ? In closing, "SCORE BOARD" !

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

OK, now that it's sunk in, let me offer a bit of alternative perspective on that.

1.) This is Kubiak's team. He built it, he chooses who plays, and he's responsible for the result.

2.) Take a look at other teams in the NFL that have rebuilt their roster in similar timeframes and check their results. Sure, you have teams like the Saints, but you also have teams like the Falcons and Dolphins and now the Chiefs. Coaches don't get 5 years in this league without making the playoffs. Other teams can get there, so we damn sure need to expect it from ours.

Scooter's little statement about remembering 2 wins is exactly what I was talking about earlier about fans expectations and the front office's expectations. People are so afraid of what they were under Capers, that Kubiak's average seasons and inconsistencies are acceptable. All of his problems as a HC get ignored. If the Texans do make the playoffs most of the fans will act like we won a SB even if we get blown out as a WIldcard team and play uninspired. Making the playoffs will get this team a parade probably. This team's utter failures from the Capers era unfortunately has dropped expectations big time.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

OK, now that it's sunk in, let me offer a bit of alternative perspective on that.

1.) This is Kubiak's team. He built it, he chooses who plays, and he's responsible for the results. .

4-2

Undefeated in the AFC

Leading the AFC South.

It's on Kubiak.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

4-2

Undefeated in the AFC

Leading the AFC South.

It's on Kubiak.

I agree with this, as I pointed out earlier. You're a fool and/or being deliberately obtuse to ignore the obvious signs that people in this thread are arguing. So I'll tell you what: you go on thinking exactly what you posted, and we'll just revisit that at the end of the season. This thread's not going anywhere, because Kubiak's not doing anything to make it go anywhere.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by Scooter

anybody remember the 2 win texans season?

You do know that same roster won SEVEN games the year before, right?
Quit using 2-10 to justify Kubiak being stuck-in-place.

Rate him on RESULTS. 6-4 over the next 10 gets you into the playoffs..

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Livid13

Just remember how you all felt when we lost our OLD franchise and how thrilled you were to get a second chance in the NFL. I'm not saying go tripping all over yourselves with blind optimisim, but we have won games that would have been losses in years past. How about some unbridled love, if for only an afternoon ? In closing, "SCORE BOARD" !

Again, how many years are we going to hear excuses like this from certain fans? What the hell does the Oilers leaving have to do with poor coaching right now? Every season we go through this where certain fans say "remember how it was when Capers was here" or "remember what happened when we lost our team?" I mean some of you act like we'll lose the team for demanding better coaching. What the hell? How long will it be before people stop trying to compare everything to the Capers era or bringing up Bud Adams leaving this town as a reason for why no one should dare to bring up the problems that still exist under Kubiak as a HC?

[Livid13]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Scooter's little statement about remembering 2 wins is exactly what I was talking about earlier about fans expectations and the front office's expectations. People are so afraid of what they were under Capers, that Kubiak's average seasons and inconsistencies are acceptable. All of his problems as a HC get ignored. If the Texans do make the playoffs most of the fans will act like we won a SB even if we get blown out as a WIldcard team and play uninspired. Making the playoffs will get this team a parade probably. This team's utter failures from the Capers era unfortunately has dropped expectations big time.

What would you have ? Seriously, in all honesty, what do you want to happen ?

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Bush needs to go , however, I don't know who they could replace him with ...

Ah, there's the rub!

Its easy to call for someone's head, but who do you replace him with?

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by Livid13

Come on guys/gals, please feel free to pile on without any retribution. WHY, WHY does this thread exist ? We're 4-2 , on top of the division and can beat the Jags, Titans and Indy.......TWICE. I know this is a board comprised of VERY intelligent and savvy fans, but come ON. YES, this team is horrid on defense. YES, we are an extremely inconsistant club, but we won a game today that we HAD to have. I get tired of reading all of the half hearted compliments to the team as a whole and the downright JADED comments of weary TEXANS fans. Feel free to point out bone headed coaching decisions, poor play (at times) and an overall malaise. Just remember how you all felt when we lost our OLD franchise and how thrilled you were to get a second chance in the NFL. I'm not saying go tripping all over yourselves with blind optimisim, but we have won games that would have been losses in years past. How about some unbridled love, if for only an afternoon ? In closing, "SCORE BOARD" !

No need to feign ignorance. Some of us want our team to actually play
for the big prize now-and-then. The days of being "the best non-winning
team in the NFL," and enjoying it, are over. Kubiak's inconsistent team
is the same bunch we've watched since he got here.

Being better than the worst head coach/GM-pairing in team history, ain't
good enough to keep Kubiak around if he doesn't produce. No one can
tell their boss "I may not meet the company standard, but I'm better than
that LAST guy" and expect to keep their job.

Kubiak being better than Dom Capers isn't the standard. Playoffs and
championships are the standard. The fans at Reliant won't let
Bob Mcnair forget that.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Livid13

What would you have ? Seriously, in all honesty, what do you want to happen ?

Well, personally I don't fault McNair for hiring Kubiak. Sometimes you give an up-and-coming coordinator a job. In Kubiak's case, someone was going to, for sure. However, when Richard Smith was fired, Frank Bush was promoted. That's kind of like when Capers fired Palmer as OC and then promoted the O-Line coach to OC. Absurd. Then, after it was pretty clear last year that the team consistently came out inconsistent, Kubiak should have been let go. Since he was kept, I want to see him play solid, winning football with the team he built.

I'm getting wins, but not winning football, and definitely not solid football. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, so I'm happy about that, but only a fool continues to rely on luck. It's not hard to determine trends from Kubiak's tenure, and you'd have to be a fool to ignore trends.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Bush needs to go , however, I don't know who they could replace him with ...

Originally Posted by awtysst

Ah, there's the rub!

Its easy to call for someone's head, but who do you replace him with?

Easy answer is you replace Richard Smith with Gregg Williams, which is exactly what a ton of posters on this board wanted. Instead, you got a guy that had contributed to the prior crappy defense promoted to being in charge of a crappy defense.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

OK, now that it's sunk in, let me offer a bit of alternative perspective on that.

1.) This is Kubiak's team. He built it, he chooses who plays, and he's responsible for the result.

2.) Take a look at other teams in the NFL that have rebuilt their roster in similar timeframes and check their results. Sure, you have teams like the Saints, but you also have teams like the Falcons and Dolphins and now the Chiefs. Coaches don't get 5 years in this league without making the playoffs. Other teams can get there, so we damn sure need to expect it from ours.

1 ... i assume no sane fan will hold 2006 against him, and since then kubiak is 29-25 and currently leading the division (after being robbed out of a playoff birth last season). even with all of my reasons and excuses, that's the result. i know "Not For Long", and i absolutely hate it - especially with a team this young and with our potential tied directly to kubiak. but the result is positive.

2 ... no team has had our turnover. each team mentioned had (has) core pieces in place and were in better position to add players. parcells went to miami with an aged but veteran team and brought key free agents and coaches with him - it took 3 seasons to get "kubiak's" defensive coordinator and 5 to get his offensive coordinator. sure it sucks as a fan to take so long, but i'll be a fan tomorrow and 10 years from tomorrow. my perspective follows that timeline, this team is being built too well and is moving forward too well to get off of the ride - no matter how bumpy.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

I'm getting wins, but not winning football, and definitely not solid football. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, so I'm happy about that, but only a fool continues to rely on luck. It's not hard to determine trends from Kubiak's tenure, and you'd have to be a fool to ignore trends.

This sums up his tenure in a nutshell Eriodic. Very accurate way to describe it. Repped big time for the description.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Scooter's little statement about remembering 2 wins is exactly what I was talking about earlier about fans expectations and the front office's expectations. People are so afraid of what they were under Capers, that Kubiak's average seasons and inconsistencies are acceptable. All of his problems as a HC get ignored. If the Texans do make the playoffs most of the fans will act like we won a SB even if we get blown out as a WIldcard team and play uninspired. Making the playoffs will get this team a parade probably. This team's utter failures from the Capers era unfortunately has dropped expectations big time.

actually my little statement was to illustrate exactly what kubiak has done to get to the 4-2 record (division leader, heading into the bye to get healthy and fix some of these problems) that you and others are complaining about. fans like many read in this post and the largest portion of most gameday threads would ***** for days about the things we did wrong while winning a superbowl. "we'll never repeat because we only ran for 70 yards in this superbowl!!!", fire kubiak! or some other nonsense ... only slightly more absurd than your great parade for making the playoffs.

13-9 in the past season and a half, after being absolutely robbed of a playoff birth, and some raise hell to fire the head coach of the youngest starting 22 in the league. i guess where we are NOW, where we were LAST SEASON, and where i think WE WILL BE are no match for where we'll inevitably be according to those here.

[Texan_Bill]

Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!! Fire Kubiak!!!


Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!

[JB]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Fire Kubiak!!! Fire Kubiak!! Fire Kubiak!!!


Please!!! Some of you people are jokes and I thank the good Lord above, some of y'all are nothing more than posters on a message board and have nothing, whatsoever to do with the Texans!