The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[houstonspartan]

Originally Posted by JB

Ya know, you are starting ( or maybe have been for awhile) coming across as a perfectionist fan. If we went 19-0, you would probably be complaining about margin of victory, or upset that we now had the last pick in the draft.

And there is nothing wrong with that...


Have you ever been escited about this team? If so, then when was the turning point? When the Texans lost on 9/15/2002?

Trust me, Dex has given Kubiak a LOOOOONG leash. He used to be head of the Kubiak Cheerleading club. lol.

But, like a lot of fans, he reached his breaking point. No one coerced him into hating Kubiak. He saw things with his own eyes. It happens to all of us at some point.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Not at all. I understand Kubiak has been given more rope than any
coach in recent history...



.

Do you believe there was anything unique about the team Kubiak took over?

Do you think he's done anything right?

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by houstonspartan

Trust me, Dex has given Kubiak a LOOOOONG leash. He used to be head of the Kubiak Cheerleading club. lol.

But, like a lot of fans, he reached his breaking point. No one coerced him into hating Kubiak. He saw things with his own eyes. It happens to all of us at some point.

Damn, those were the good ol' days. LOL

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Do you believe there was anything unique about the team Kubiak took over?

Do you think he's done anything right?

He's had a team good enough to go 8-8 for four consecutive years.
There have been coaches, who've taken 8-8 talent to the playoffs,
even won a Superbowl, even gone to the AFC Championship game,
within four years of having an 8-8 worthy team.

No excuses.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

He's had a team good enough to go 8-8 for four consecutive years.
There have been coaches, who've taken 8-8 talent to the playoffs,
even won a Superbowl, even gone to the AFC Championship game,
within four years of having an 8-8 worthy team.

No excuses.

Do you think Mike Singletary is a good coach?

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Do you think Mike Singletary is a good coach?

If Singletary has four seasons (or less), with the same results he's had, he will and should
be fired. At the end of the day, results are what everyone's job comes
down to.

No excuses.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

If Singletary has four seasons (or less), with the same results he's had, he will and should
be fired. At the end of the day, results are what everyone's job comes
down to.

No excuses.

So..... is he a good coach or not? From what you know right now, do you think he's a good coach?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

He's had a team good enough to go 8-8 for four consecutive years.
There have been coaches, who've taken 8-8 talent to the playoffs,
even won a Superbowl, even gone to the AFC Championship game,
within four years of having an 8-8 worthy team.

No excuses.

Let's go back to this.

Anyone in the AFC South get to the play-offs with an 8-8 record?

Any of those 8-8 teams beat the Colts? Any of them had to beat the Colts twice in the same year?

It's not about excuses, it's about reality.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

So..... is he a good coach or not? From what you know right now, do you think he's a good coach?

What do you mean when YOU say "good coach?"

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Let's go back to this.

Anyone in the AFC South get to the play-offs with an 8-8 record?

Any of those 8-8 teams beat the Colts? Any of them had to beat the Colts twice in the same year?

It's not about excuses, it's about reality.

The reality is, Kubiak has got to get it (going to the playoffs) done.
His job is gonna come down to results, eventually, and it should be THIS
season.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

What do you mean when YOU say "good coach?"

When you think of a "good" head coach, does Singletary make your list?

Originally Posted by DexmanC

The reality is, Kubiak has got to get it (going to the playoffs) done.
His job is gonna come down to results, eventually, and it should be THIS
season.

I don't disagree with this post in anyway. IMO, this is it for Kubiak. It sucks he's got to get to the play-offs with this schedule, but he built this team, which we all think is good enough to do it. So, we'll see.

I believe in the 4 year term. But I believe some coaches will get it done in 3 years, some coaches may need 5. I don't see anything wrong with that. I believe the situation they inherited & the way they decided to build the team will be a factor in how long it will take. To take this team from what he had, to Super Bowl contender, considering he wasn't ready to be a head coach when he took the job, 5 years is acceptable.

If Kubiak doesn't get this team to the play-offs, with this schedule, believe me, you won't hear any excuses from me. But to act as though he has already failed, when we are 3-2 & won our only division game so far, against our toughest division opponent at that.... is a little premature.

Lastly, results... I also believe there are some teams that W-L records are the last thing you need to be looking at when determining results. On a team that has never won (the Houston Texans) there focus can't be on winning & losing. Talent level has to get to a certain level, and the level of play has to get to a certain level before W-L becomes the primary focus. To me, 2009 is the only season that the W-L tells you anything about this team. The Detroit Lions shouldn't be worried about W-L, the St Louis Rams shouldn't be worried about W-L, the SF 49ers & the Oakland Raiders don't need to be worried about W-L. They need to be focused on acquiring talent & learning to play football at the highest level. Other wise, you're going to end up with 10+ years of bad football.

Kubiak chose to build primarily through the draft, & young Free Agents. That already sets you up for a long transition. You don't have to agree with how Kubiak decided to build. Just acknowledge it. To judge him against coaches who went heavy with FAs is disingenuous.

I believe this team is a Super Bowl contender (to me that means they should be able to get to the play-offs and do well). We'll see if Kubiak where Kubiak stands as a head coach.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

When you think of a "good" head coach, does Singletary make your list?

In order to avoid confusion, I need to know what you mean
when you say "good coach." I'll answer your question, when
I understand your definition of "good coach."

[Blake]

No playoffs this year? Kubiak should be gone. It will be someone elses turn to whip this group into a actual playoff contender.

If Kubiak gets this team to makes the playoffs then he can play out another year of his contract.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I believe in the 4 year term. But I believe some coaches will get it done in 3 years, some coaches may need 5. I don't see anything wrong with that. I believe the situation they inherited & the way they decided to build the team will be a factor in how long it will take. To take this team from what he had, to Super Bowl contender, considering he wasn't ready to be a head coach when he took the job, 5 years is acceptable.

If Kubiak doesn't get this team to the play-offs, with this schedule, believe me, you won't hear any excuses from me. But to act as though he has already failed, when we are 3-2 & won our only division game so far, against our toughest division opponent at that.... is a little premature.

Lastly, results... I also believe there are some teams that W-L records are the last thing you need to be looking at when determining results. On a team that has never won (the Houston Texans) there focus can't be on winning & losing. Talent level has to get to a certain level, and the level of play has to get to a certain level before W-L becomes the primary focus. To me, 2009 is the only season that the W-L tells you anything about this team. The Detroit Lions shouldn't be worried about W-L, the St Louis Rams shouldn't be worried about W-L, the SF 49ers & the Oakland Raiders don't need to be worried about W-L. They need to be focused on acquiring talent & learning to play football at the highest level. Other wise, you're going to end up with 10+ years of bad football.

Kubiak chose to build primarily through the draft, & young Free Agents. That already sets you up for a long transition. You don't have to agree with how Kubiak decided to build. Just acknowledge it. To judge him against coaches who went heavy with FAs is disingenuous.

I believe this team is a Super Bowl contender (to me that means they should be able to get to the play-offs and do well). We'll see if Kubiak where Kubiak stands as a head coach.

Let's not pretend Kubiak struck gold in the draft every year. So far,
we can only say that about the '06 draft. He took Amobi Okoye over
Patrick Willis in the '07 draft. That decision, in my opinion, lost
his standing of "draft guru." If you're going to "build through the draft,"
you'd BETTER hit in EVERY SINGLE ONE of them.

The current Lions staff has had two drafts, and have gotten first round studs in both.
Matthew Stafford and Ndamukong Suh. Two drafts, two bell cows. The Texans
can not say the same.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

In order to avoid confusion, I need to know what you mean
when you say "good coach." I'll answer your question, when
I understand your definition of "good coach."

I'll tell you that I think Singletary is a good head coach.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Let's not pretend Kubiak struck gold in the draft every year. So far,
we can only say that about the '06 draft. He took Amobi Okoye over
Patrick Willis in the '07 draft. That decision, in my opinion, lost
his standing of "draft guru." If you're going to "build through the draft,"
you'd BETTER hit in EVERY SINGLE ONE of them.

The current Lions staff has had two drafts, and have gotten first round studs in both.
Matthew Stafford and Ndamukong Suh. Two drafts, two bell cows. The Texans
can not say the same.

Do you or do you not think this team has the talent & the ability to get to the Super Bowl this year?

Doesn't matter on how many he "hit" on. If you think we're that good, we're that good.

If you don't think we're that good, what difference does it make if we get to the play-offs. That's not the goal. If we're going to the play-offs, & lose in the Wild-Card, that tells me we didn't belong to begin with, & the coach didn't do his job.

To me, that's setting your expectations low, that's a loser's mentality.

& I'll say it now. If we go to the play-offs, whether we win the division, or the wildcard & lose... I won't be on the Kubiak bandwagon.

If we go into Reliant at 10-5 & lose to the Jaguars, I don't care if it's the best game ever played & we lose by one point on a 72 yard field goal to end up 10-6, I won't be on the Kubiak band wagon.

(Let's see how long it takes Stafford & Sue to get to the play-offs)

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

The current Lions staff has had two drafts, and have gotten first round studs in both.
Matthew Stafford and Ndamukong Suh. Two drafts, two bell cows. The Texans
can not say the same.

Let's not forget that by game 5 of the 2007 season, Okoye looked pretty good as well.

Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans, Owen Daniels.... that's three bell-cow studs & that's only one draft. I think the average over 2 years is still better than what Detroit has done.

drop the hateraid.......

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I'll tell you that I think Singletary is a good head coach.

You're delusional, in my opinion (of course).

I think you admire the man, but then again you seem to admire Kubiak too.

See, this is a big problem for a lot of people: They fall in love with the person, and so they marginalize the actual production on the field. It's what got David Carr a pass for so long. In fact, I'll bet Carr is a 49er because Singletary thinks he's a great, honorable role model...forget what he's done in the past (on the field), Carr is a Christian and Singletary wants more guys like him.

It's the NFL. You either got it, or you don't. And outside of the initial win vs. the Colts this season, this team has looked disorganized and can't adjust to the other team.

Arian Foster is the reason we started off 1-0. Coupled with a Colts defense that had major injuries AND a lack of preparation for our running game.

Andre Johnson is the reason we got to 2-0. His catch on 4th down? Miracle.

It goes downhill after game 2. We're seeing that outside of some fluke advantageous situations (Colts defense and Andre's catch) our beloved Texans are mere pretenders and not contenders.

My thoughts are now consumed with whether we will be picking in the middle of the first round or the early part of the first round. And also if there will be NFL in 2011 at all.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

You're delusional, in my opinion (of course).

I think you admire the man, but then again you seem to admire Kubiak too.

No, that's not it.

Originally Posted by GP

It's the NFL. You either got it, or you don't. And outside of the initial win vs. the Colts this season, this team has looked disorganized and can't adjust to the other team.

Yet we got the W....

Originally Posted by GP

It goes downhill after game 2. We're seeing that outside of some fluke advantageous situations (Colts defense and Andre's catch) our beloved Texans are mere pretenders and not contenders.

Which team do you think is perfect??

The biggest knock on this team, IMO, has been an inability to handle adversity in a game. True, that diversity shouldn't have been in some of those games... but it was there, & we've done better than not overall.

[Texan_Bill]

*Thanks God above that some members of this board or just that, and not in the Texans organization*

Idiots!!!