The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[thunderkyss]

I'm rewatching the game right now. 3rd & 10 @ 10:21 remaining in the 4th Qtr. Matt waits until AJ is halfway across the field on a crossing route to throw the ball his direction. AJ really has no shot at catching this ball. The clock stops at 10:15, but there is a flag on the play.

They show Schaub walking back to the sideline & you can see (by the look on his face) when Matt realizes there is a penalty. He's got this, "Awe ****, you mean I can't go sit on the sidelines now" look on his face, & it's pathetic.

Lucky for him, NY declined the penalty.

[DexmanC]

I wouldn't put too much stock in holding them to 10 points in the second
half. The Giants clearly switched to a ball control offense after the
second interception. The Texans had no answer, in any phase of the game,
for the physicality of the Giants.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

I wouldn't put too much stock in holding them to 10 points in the second
half. The Giants clearly switched to a ball control offense after the
second interception. The Texans had no answer, in any phase of the game,
for the physicality of the Giants.

I don't believe that. We came out punching them in the mouth to start the third Qtr.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I don't believe that. We came out punching them in the mouth to start the third Qtr.

After Eli threw his second pick, the Giants went back to Ball Control offense
and ran the clock out. The Texans offense STILL couldn't move the ball.
Special teams, without Jacoby, could not spark ANYBODY.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by imatexan

The Texans earned the fanbase when they put the word HOUSTON in front of it.

As long as they play in Houston I will be a fan.

This is where I'm at as well, but it doesn't keep me from bitching about them. When the Oilers left town, I no longer cared about them. If the Texans leave town, the same there. As long as the Texans are a Houston team I'll always have them on my TV whether I'm cursing them or happy with them.

Football teams from Houston are just ill-fated it seems. Someone needs to hire a witch doctor or perform an exorcism or something.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by Thorn

This is where I'm at as well, but it doesn't keep me from bitching about them. When the Oilers left town, I no longer cared about them. If the Texans leave town, the same there. As long as the Texans are a Houston team I'll always have them on my TV whether I'm cursing them or happy with them.

Football teams from Houston are just ill-fated it seems. Someone needs to hire a witch doctor or perform an exorcism or something.

I just think the owners hire too many nice guys down here. Must be
something in the barbecue sauce.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Gary Kubiak's Texans are.... frustrating and hard to figure out. There's something wrong with them on both sides of the ball and they are to a man Gary's guys. Make no mistake, if the team looks good it's on Gary and if the team looks like they did today then that's on Gary too. This is his mess. He picked them, he coaches them, and he tells them what to do. OK, so his coordinators do that last one but he picked those men as well. What you see on the field is a direct reflection of Gary Kubiak and what he's capable of doing. 5 drafts, 5 training camps, 5 shots at free agency are on display this season and there is no single factor that can possibly outweigh the imprint of Gary Kubiak and the job he's done.

Gary's guys? These are Gary's Kids, and this thread makes me feel like I am annually contributing to a Labor Day Telethon that will spawn no cure.

[The1ApplePie]

Has Kubes gone into "Skinny Wade Phillips" territory yet?

[bckey]

One thing I noticed in this game was the refs called a penalty on almost every single punt and kickoff. It was crazy. It didn't effect the outcome of the game but it did stick out to me as being extreme. I didn't care too much for that particular referee crew. On another note I also got tired of hearing Hakeem Nicks name. It was like sandlot football for Eli and Hakeem. Our secondary is so bad it is embarrassing. I still get a sense that it can be fixed to some degree with better schemes. Not saying they would suddenly shutdown everyone but at least close enough to an opposing receiver to be in position to make an effort to break up the play or make the tackle after the catch. Players just look like they are lost and confused and end up leaving guys wide open. Bush may not make it through the year if the Texans continue down the path as being the worst pass defense in NFL history. Nah, Kubiak and McNair are loyal to a fault.

[DexmanC]

When your opponent continues to throw the ball with a 17 point lead,
and 10 minutes left in the game, you have a SORRY secondary. They
don't respect you AT ALL. They even got a touchdown out of it, to
Steve Smith.

[spurstexanstros]

Originally Posted by HJam72

Really? Cuz we don't. Last year we won 1 game in our division. We are a whopping 2-14 against the Colts, who we are built to beat? Yes, we beat them last time. I'm not convinced we won't lose the next 5 divisional games is a row...

You know what?, I think we're built to beat the Raiders, Cardinals, and Longhorns...

Well so far this year we are 1-0 against our division and like I said in my post. If we play like that against teams in our division or conference then worry. I am waiting to see how they bounce back from this loss and how they want to go into the bye a 4-2 team or 3-3. I am not pushing panic button yet.

[GP]

I noticed lots of times where our guys on defense are turning to each other, waving arms at each other, running to one spot and then realizing it's the wrong spot, and generally BARELY getting to a spot before the snap.

We had no clue, from a coaching standpoint to a player standpoint, what to do against the Giants offense.

When, all along, it was fairly obvious that all they were doing was throwing to Nicks on the sideline and/or Bradshaw out in the flats. Yet there was zero adjustment made by our coaches.

There's gotta' be something going on that we don't know about. There has to be some sort of shift within the staff and/or players that has got this group divided and easy prey.

They did not look like this last year. The rush defense was porous but that soon stopped. This thing, now, is just growing worse and worse as each week passes.

NFC East teams are devouring us like chicken wings. Whereas the NFC West teams (Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, 49ers) were soft, these NFC East teams are big, nasty road graders in the trenches. Just as we try to be built for stopping the Colts, it appears the NFC East teams are built to collide head-on with one another every year...and we just got in the way of the brawl.

Anyone else get that feeling? Like we just accidentally entered a really really bad bar fight between very large men with a high pain tolerance? "Excuse me, coming through, pardon me, uhh..ackk! What are you doing? NO! Oh dear God, please stop! Uggh. Ouch! Hey, that's not legal! Uumpph! Someone call 9-1-1! I'm one of Gary's kids! I'm a minor, he doesn't even know I'm here!!!"

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by GP

I noticed lots of times where our guys on defense are turning to each other, waving arms at each other, running to one spot and then realizing it's the wrong spot, and generally BARELY getting to a spot before the snap.

We had no clue, from a coaching standpoint to a player standpoint, what to do against the Giants offense.

When, all along, it was fairly obvious that all they were doing was throwing to Nicks on the sideline and/or Bradshaw out in the flats. Yet there was zero adjustment made by our coaches.

There's gotta' be something going on that we don't know about. There has to be some sort of shift within the staff and/or players that has got this group divided and easy prey.

They did not look like this last year. The rush defense was porous but that soon stopped. This thing, now, is just growing worse and worse as each week passes.

NFC East teams are devouring us like chicken wings. Whereas the NFC West teams (Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, 49ers) were soft, these NFC East teams are big, nasty road graders in the trenches. Just as we try to be built for stopping the Colts, it appears the NFC East teams are built to collide head-on with one another every year...and we just got in the way of the brawl.

Anyone else get that feeling? Like we just accidentally entered a really really bad bar fight between very large men with a high pain tolerance? "Excuse me, coming through, pardon me, uhh..ackk! What are you doing? NO! Oh dear God, please stop! Uggh. Ouch! Hey, that's not legal! Uumpph! Someone call 9-1-1! I'm one of Gary's kids! I'm a minor, he doesn't even know I'm here!!!"

What you're describing, is when the defense quit playing for Richard Smith.
Wait for the players to drop the "We just run what's called" line, and you'll
have your answer.

[K_Jizzle....]

Man, I think it time for the Coach to go and the especially the Defensive Coordinator. We have a good front four and good linbackers but the DB's suck (Not Pollard). So with all the talent we have there is no excuse why we are last in defense. We don't blitz, no stunts, no linebacker blitz. We just play regular defense and get no pressure on the Quarterback. We need coaches that are defensive minded. Offense will be ok. But Defense is what wins CHAMPIONSHIPS........

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by K_Jizzle....

Man, I think it time for the Coach to go and the especially the Defensive Coordinator. We have a good front four and good linbackers but the DB's suck (Not Pollard). So with all the talent we have there is no excuse why we are last in defense. We don't blitz, no stunts, no linebacker blitz. We just play regular defense and get no pressure on the Quarterback. We need coaches that are defensive minded. Offense will be ok. But Defense is what wins CHAMPIONSHIPS........

Ok, Who would you replace them with? Its easy to say they should be fired, but its not so easy to come up with any solid replacements. There is a reason NFL coaches don't get fired in the middle of the season.

[Dutchrudder]

You idi0ts can't wait until we have a losing record to pull out the pink soap? C'mon guys...

[houstonspartan]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

You idi0ts can't wait until we have a losing record to pull out the pink soap? C'mon guys...

Uh, no, idi0t.

No one "WANTS" to lose. I have not seen anyone say that they are rooting for a losing season. Most of us want to win, and want to win with KUBIAK.

What we are saying, however, is that some of us are not convinced that that is possible. If Kubiak takes us to the playoffs and beyond, I will HAPPILY eat crow and praise him. If he stinks it up, he will be criticized.

That's how it works.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Thorn

This is where I'm at as well, but it doesn't keep me from bitching about them. When the Oilers left town, I no longer cared about them. If the Texans leave town, the same there. As long as the Texans are a Houston team I'll always have them on my TV whether I'm cursing them or happy with them.

Football teams from Houston are just ill-fated it seems. Someone needs to hire a witch doctor or perform an exorcism or something.

I still think that Reliant/Astrodome are built on ancient Indian burial grounds or a nuclear waste dump or something equally disturbing.

Case in point: the Astros did nothing spectacular until they moved to Enron/Minutemaid, and then finally made it to a WS.

The Oilers history is well known, and that franchise never made it to the big dance until they left the Astrodome for Hillbillyville.

The Texans...8+ seasons and counting before they do anything...anything at all...anything worth even mentioning....still counting...

I second that motion for an exorcism!!

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by houstonspartan

Uh, no, idi0t.

No one "WANTS" to lose. I have not seen anyone say that they are rooting for a losing season. Most of us want to win, and want to win with KUBIAK.

Yeah, I'm sure you love Kubiak a whole lot, just enough not to ask for him to be fired after 4 games. You gave him 5, good for you, lol...

Firing coaches mid-season works in baseball and sometimes basketball because the seasons last so long. In the NFL, there's really no point in removing a head coach mid-season because there won't be enough time for him to change anything significantly enough to turn the team around.

What we are saying, however, is that some of us are not convinced that that is possible. If Kubiak takes us to the playoffs and beyond, I will HAPPILY eat crow and praise him. If he stinks it up, he will be criticized.

That's how it works.

The team is 3-2, so how about waiting until they have a losing record before saying the Texans can't win with Kubiak?

[Mr. White]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Yeah, I'm sure you love Kubiak a whole lot, just enough not to ask for him to be fired after 4 games. You gave him 5, good for you, lol...

Firing coaches mid-season works in baseball and sometimes basketball because the seasons last so long. In the NFL, there's really no point in removing a head coach mid-season because there won't be enough time for him to change anything significantly enough to turn the team around.

I don't think anyone's advocating for him to be replaced during the middle of the season.

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

The team is 3-2, so how about waiting until they have a losing record before saying the Texans can't win with Kubiak?

The record isn't all that impressive considering who we beat. I expect us to get embarrassed again when we play the Ravens and Jets. The fact of the matter is that he's had 5 years and hasn't been able to put a physical team together yet except when he's playing the weak sisters.