The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[houstonspartan]

Originally Posted by Pollardized

What channel is W. on?

The Movie Channel, West Coast.

[steelbtexan]

9 yrs of BS football and now McNair/Rootes has turned the tailgatlng police loose on we the season ticket holders.

Going to the game with my wife and getting harrased by crackhead parking attendent/Harold Jerrols. Then going into the game and watching the Kubiak led Texans get their a** kicked was the most fan friendly gameday expierence that my family has expierenced in my 8 yrs of beingf a season ticket holder.

What Harold Jerrols didn't know was F-ing with my wife was the wrong thing to do and I didn't have to say a word. It was much more entertaining than the game.

9 yrs of shi**y football isn't enough now I have the pleasure of my wife asking me why I'm wasting our kids college money on crappy football only to be treaed like ****** in the parking lot (yellow) and I dont have an answer for her.

This doesn't even take into account that my friend who has been a 3 yr season ticket holder but parks at a cash lot on Main was told that he had to basically walk around the stadium to enter. We missed our pregame ritual of 2 beers/BS.

Thanks BoB/Jamey

Looking forward to next week with my wife bitching.

Go Texans

[GP]

I enjoyed the game today.

I'm to the point where I can stomach a loss, and watch the entire thing from start to finish, as well as I can watch us stomp other teams for a huge win.

At some point, we have to let go and just be a fan. It's going to be interesting to see how this season plays out. Most of the guys out there just looked like zombies to me. Deer-in-the-headlights zombies.

DEFENSE: Our LBers are not shooting gaps. They're playing some sort of half-ass read-and-react crap that is very zone'ish IMO. Antonio Smith is a dumbass. A complete dumbass, btw. He needs to attend Amobi Okoye's football clinics in Nigeria...as a student. Our secondary is so bad, there's no way to describe it in terms suitable for minors to read on here.

OFFENSE:I am amazed Slaton is returning kickoffs. He just finds a pile and runs into them as hard as he can. David Anderson has ZERO YAC ability. Once he catches a pass, he's dead in the water...so why even have him run any sort of route that's going to be 5 yards short of the marker? Schaub jogs away from center after the snap, his throws take five days, he gets balls batted down (because his throws are so slow, it gives time for the d-line to react to it). He doesn't have the it-factor this season..SO FAR, at least.

Our special teams has looked the worst this year that it ever has. Too many penalties.

I applaud the Giants for not losing their cool after their first possession when it looked like they were going to bumble all the way through the game. They recovered and they deserved the win.

[DexmanC]

Several season ticket holders I know have been cashing in their
tickets for several thousand dollars every game, since the start of the season.
Looks like that trend's gonna continue with home performances like
this one.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by GP

I enjoyed the game today.

I'm to the point where I can stomach a loss, and watch the entire thing from start to finish, as well as I can watch us stomp other teams for a huge win.

At some point, we have to let go and just be a fan. It's going to be interesting to see how this season plays out. Most of the guys out there just looked like zombies to me. Deer-in-the-headlights zombies.

DEFENSE: Our LBers are not shooting gaps. They're playing some sort of half-ass read-and-react crap that is very zone'ish IMO. Antonio Smith is a dumbass. A complete dumbass, btw. He needs to attend Amobi Okoye's football clinics in Nigeria...as a student. Our secondary is so bad, there's no way to describe it in terms suitable for minors to read on here.

OFFENSE:I am amazed Slaton is returning kickoffs. He just finds a pile and runs into them as hard as he can. David Anderson has ZERO YAC ability. Once he catches a pass, he's dead in the water...so why even have him run any sort of route that's going to be 5 yards short of the marker? Schaub jogs away from center after the snap, his throws take five days, he gets balls batted down (because his throws are so slow, it gives time for the d-line to react to it). He doesn't have the it-factor this season..SO FAR, at least.

Our special teams has looked the worst this year that it ever has. Too many penalties.

I applaud the Giants for not losing their cool after their first possession when it looked like they were going to bumble all the way through the game. They recovered and they deserved the win.

The Texans will start playing well after Week 13, when playoff seedings
are being decided, and they are out of the running. They will hit their
second-consecutive 4-0 winning streak to close out the year against teams
waiting for the offseason, or playoff teams resting starters (just like
last year.)

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

I've been watching Houston NFL teams take the field since roughly 1976 now that I think about it. I was 11 then and when I look back my memories are kind of fuzzy and a little biased from general nostalgia and fondness for the time. One thing remains true without any exception and that's the fact that every team I ever watched play football was a direct reflection, for better or worse of it's coach.

Bum Phillips teams weren't sophisticated or exceptionally talented but they never quit and they left everything they had out on the field. Ed Biles teams appeared to lack direction as his tenure went on. Initially they were the same bunch of moderately talented overachievers that Bum Phillips had coached but as the games went by you could tell they lacked a motivator. Hugh Campbell's Oilers were low on both talent and experience and reflected his finesse approach to the game. They were soft and more often than not pushed around all over the field. Jerry Glanville's Oilers were angry, aggressive, and stupid and played dirty football with a chip on their shoulder just like the pompous little midget who led them wanted them to. Jack Pardee took that team and taught them a better version of their offense but never could teach them discipline. In fact I don't think he even tried. His team had the same disoriented look on their faces he had when things didn't go well. Jeff Fisher's Oilers I didn't pay attention to because they were a lame duck and I wasn't putting any money in Bud Adams pocket if I could help it.

Dom Capers Texans were a lot like Hugh Campbell's Oilers. Lacking in talent (on the field and on the sideline) they played simple, boring, unimaginative football that their "mimbo" rookie QB could understand. The first incarnation of the Texans was too stupid to do much of anything without shooting itself in the foot. In one word they looked lost much like a man with more than he can handle on his plate. I think that's an apt description of Dom Capers the Head Coach.

Gary Kubiak's Texans are.... frustrating and hard to figure out. There's something wrong with them on both sides of the ball and they are to a man Gary's guys. Make no mistake, if the team looks good it's on Gary and if the team looks like they did today then that's on Gary too. This is his mess. He picked them, he coaches them, and he tells them what to do. OK, so his coordinators do that last one but he picked those men as well. What you see on the field is a direct reflection of Gary Kubiak and what he's capable of doing. 5 drafts, 5 training camps, 5 shots at free agency are on display this season and there is no single factor that can possibly outweigh the imprint of Gary Kubiak and the job he's done.

We are 3-2 and tied for first place in our division. We went 3-1 in the first quarter of the season. We're 0-1 to start the second. If we enter the bye week at 4-2 and still holding on to a piece of the division lead then much of this will die down. If we slide into our bye week at 3-3 then the two weeks prior to the Colts on Monday Night Football will be filled with howls for Kubiak's head by fans who will have paid to see a 1-3 team at home.

I'm waiting until the Monday night game against the Colts to decide what I think about this bunch.

Stellar post, Herv! Very very well said. I really have nothing to add other than I will rep you if it lets me.

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

9 yrs of BS football and now McNair/Rootes has turned the tailgatlng police loose on we the season ticket holders.

Going to the game with my wife and getting harrased by crackhead parking attendent/Harold Jerrols. Then going into the game and watching the Kubiak led Texans get their a** kicked was the most fan friendly gameday expierence that my family has expierenced in my 8 yrs of beingf a season ticket holder.

What Harold Jerrols didn't know was F-ing with my wife was the wrong thing to do and I didn't have to say a word. It was much more entertaining than the game.

9 yrs of shi**y football isn't enough now I have the pleasure of my wife asking me why I'm wasting our kids college money on crappy football only to be treaed like ****** in the parking lot (yellow) and I dont have an answer for her.

This doesn't even take into account that my friend who has been a 3 yr season ticket holder but parks at a cash lot on Main was told that he had to basically walk around the stadium to enter. We missed our pregame ritual of 2 beers/BS.

Thanks BoB/Jamey

Looking forward to next week with my wife bitching.

Go Texans

If you don't mind me asking, what happened with your wife? How bad was this new policy?

[Joe Texan]

Pink Soap available at front desk. Here we go this thread is not any good with out you Dumb Arses. We are getting manhandled by the NFC and all is over, fire the coach, how about Andre you catch the ball, or Foster you make yourself look good to the coach so he can have some confidence in our running game, and Defense get your head out of your arse and stop somebody, you looked like a red light in India the way you let Eli Manning school your butts. It is all a team effort and it is not all on the coach. If I was coach we would be moving into the Holiday Inn right now for the next week or longer to get this problem solved. Curfue is at 10 pm and we start at 6 am. And each and every player would be teamed with a fire starter. This can be fixed and Kubiak has the rest of the season to do it regardless how many times you call for his head

[GP]

Butler sucks berry berry badly, btw. And Winston blew an assignment that you'd expect a 7th round rookie OL make. He just sort of fanned his arms when he saw he got Schaub killed, in a "Golly gosh, how'd that happen?" manner.

This team doesn't play for its coach, IMO. I think they play for themselves. So if they want to take a game off, they will. Looked the same way vs. the Cowboys two weeks ago. Uninspired. At home. Again.

I felt very sorry for any Texans fans who were at the game today. What an awful experience to have to endure. I sit here and pay a few hundred dollars for DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket and I admit that I come away fairly unscathed compared to you guys who go to the the games and pay what you pay.

You guys, IMO, have a right to be angry.

[DexmanC]

I saw a shot of Joe Texan on TV lookin' mad as hell. He's still backing
Kubiak, though. Don't know what's in that Kool-Aid, but this team
could just TANK and Kubiak would STILL have people fighting for
him to keep his job.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Joe Texan

Pink Soap available at front desk. Here we go this thread is not any good with out you Dumb Arses. We are getting manhandled by the NFC and all is over, fire the coach, how about Andre you catch the ball, or Foster you make yourself look good to the coach so he can have some confidence in our running game, and Defense get your head out of your arse and stop somebody, you looked like a red light in India the way you let Eli Manning school your butts. It is all a team effort and it is not all on the coach. If I was coach we would be moving into the Holiday Inn right now for the next week or longer to get this problem solved. Curfue is at 10 pm and we start at 6 am. And each and every player would be teamed with a fire starter. This can be fixed and Kubiak has the rest of the season to do it regardless how many times you call for his head

Did you watch the same game I watched? Foster had no where to run to. How about Kubiak have his team ready to play?

[GP]

Originally Posted by Joe Texan

Pink Soap available at front desk. Here we go this thread is not any good with out you Dumb Arses. We are getting manhandled by the NFC and all is over, fire the coach, how about Andre you catch the ball, or Foster you make yourself look good to the coach so he can have some confidence in our running game, and Defense get your head out of your arse and stop somebody, you looked like a red light in India the way you let Eli Manning school your butts. It is all a team effort and it is not all on the coach. If I was coach we would be moving into the Holiday Inn right now for the next week or longer to get this problem solved. Curfue is at 10 pm and we start at 6 am. And each and every player would be teamed with a fire starter. This can be fixed and Kubiak has the rest of the season to do it regardless how many times you call for his head

Let's go in order:

1. AJ is obviously still not 100%. God bless him for trying, but he's (a) not able to do much out there for long stretches of time, and (b) not really fooling the defense each week he's out there and still not 100%. And (c) outside of AJ, there's no playmaker to open it up for the other guys.

2. I don't blame Arian Foster. I blame someone (Kubiak or Dennison, or both of 'em) for abandoning the running game so soon. It's as if we're jumping ship if Foster doesn't gain 100 yards in the first 10 minutes of the game. Where was a draw play? I never saw one. How many screen passes for our RBs today? I counted maybe 1 that was botched SEVERELY because of slow-poke Schaub moonwalking after the snap instead of running FAST.

3. Gurry Kubiak is NOT, and I repeat NOT, going to do what Joe Texan would do. These guys think they eat, sleep, and breathe football. They have their heads in a darkened office watching film and doing all kinds of crap to manage the daily horsecrap they gotta' maintain. This isn't 1954, Joe. You don't just pack up the kids and head down to Marfa, TX and make them run bear crawls in 100-degree weather in the sand dunes. Go watch the Junction Boys again, and get this out of your system already.

4. This may or may not get " fixed" this year, Joe. At this point, I don't really care. We're going to win some. We're going to lose some. Can we win enough to make the playoffs? And even if we did, could we BEAT a playoff team? I doubt it. Hence, it doesn't really matter even if we find a way to make the playoffs.

All of us should just enjoy whatever in the heck we get. Because it's what you're gonna' get if you want to say a Texans fan. Watch us play like crap. Watch us play real good. But in the end, we are going to be watching in some form or fashion.

So, yeah..I sort of agree with you (to a point)...but I don't necessarily sign off on everything you just said.

BTW, nice blue facepaint today. Saw you in a crowd shot, and I thought it really looked nice on you. Not exactly the same Texans steel blue color, but I give you props for the effort.

Originally Posted by GP

Let's go in order:

1. AJ is obviously still not 100%. God bless him for trying, but he's (a) not able to do much out there for long stretches of time, and (b) not really fooling the defense each week he's out there and still not 100%. And (c) outside of AJ, there's no playmaker to open it up for the other guys.

2. I don't blame Arian Foster. I blame someone (Kubiak or Dennison, or both of 'em) for abandoning the running game so soon. It's as if we're jumping ship if Foster doesn't gain 100 yards in the first 10 minutes of the game. Where was a draw play? I never saw one. How many screen passes for our RBs today? I counted maybe 1 that was botched SEVERELY because of slow-poke Schaub moonwalking after the snap instead of running FAST.

3. Gurry Kubiak is NOT, and I repeat NOT, going to do what Joe Texan would do. These guys think they eat, sleep, and breathe football. They have their heads in a darkened office watching film and doing all kinds of crap to manage the daily horsecrap they gotta' maintain. This isn't 1954, Joe. You don't just pack up the kids and head down to Marfa, TX and make them run bear crawls in 100-degree weather in the sand dunes. Go watch the Junction Boys again, and get this out of your system already.

4. This may or may not get " fixed" this year, Joe. At this point, I don't really care. We're going to win some. We're going to lose some. Can we win enough to make the playoffs? And even if we did, could we BEAT a playoff team? I doubt it. Hence, it doesn't really matter even if we find a way to make the playoffs.

All of us should just enjoy whatever in the heck we get. Because it's what you're gonna' get if you want to say a Texans fan. Watch us play like crap. Watch us play real good. But in the end, we are going to be watching in some form or fashion.

So, yeah..I sort of agree with you (to a point)...but I don't necessarily sign off on everything you just said.

BTW, nice blue facepaint today. Saw you in a crowd shot, and I thought it really looked nice on you. Not exactly the same Texans steel blue color, but I give you props for the effort.

Thanks for saving me the time, GP. Rep to you if possible.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

I've been watching Houston NFL teams take the field since roughly 1976 now that I think about it. I was 11 then and when I look back my memories are kind of fuzzy and a little biased from general nostalgia and fondness for the time. One thing remains true without any exception and that's the fact that every team I ever watched play football was a direct reflection, for better or worse of it's coach.

Bum Phillips teams weren't sophisticated or exceptionally talented but they never quit and they left everything they had out on the field. Ed Biles teams appeared to lack direction as his tenure went on. Initially they were the same bunch of moderately talented overachievers that Bum Phillips had coached but as the games went by you could tell they lacked a motivator. Hugh Campbell's Oilers were low on both talent and experience and reflected his finesse approach to the game. They were soft and more often than not pushed around all over the field. Jerry Glanville's Oilers were angry, aggressive, and stupid and played dirty football with a chip on their shoulder just like the pompous little midget who led them wanted them to. Jack Pardee took that team and taught them a better version of their offense but never could teach them discipline. In fact I don't think he even tried. His team had the same disoriented look on their faces he had when things didn't go well. Jeff Fisher's Oilers I didn't pay attention to because they were a lame duck and I wasn't putting any money in Bud Adams pocket if I could help it.

Dom Capers Texans were a lot like Hugh Campbell's Oilers. Lacking in talent (on the field and on the sideline) they played simple, boring, unimaginative football that their "mimbo" rookie QB could understand. The first incarnation of the Texans was too stupid to do much of anything without shooting itself in the foot. In one word they looked lost much like a man with more than he can handle on his plate. I think that's an apt description of Dom Capers the Head Coach.

Gary Kubiak's Texans are.... frustrating and hard to figure out. There's something wrong with them on both sides of the ball and they are to a man Gary's guys. Make no mistake, if the team looks good it's on Gary and if the team looks like they did today then that's on Gary too. This is his mess. He picked them, he coaches them, and he tells them what to do. OK, so his coordinators do that last one but he picked those men as well. What you see on the field is a direct reflection of Gary Kubiak and what he's capable of doing. 5 drafts, 5 training camps, 5 shots at free agency are on display this season and there is no single factor that can possibly outweigh the imprint of Gary Kubiak and the job he's done.

We are 3-2 and tied for first place in our division. We went 3-1 in the first quarter of the season. We're 0-1 to start the second. If we enter the bye week at 4-2 and still holding on to a piece of the division lead then much of this will die down. If we slide into our bye week at 3-3 then the two weeks prior to the Colts on Monday Night Football will be filled with howls for Kubiak's head by fans who will have paid to see a 1-3 team at home.

I'm waiting until the Monday night game against the Colts to decide what I think about this bunch.

As a fan that has watched Houston football since 1970. You are spot on.

I will also wait until after the Colts game to see how the season goes. Thanks for putting into words what I am unabl to say. I wish I could rep you.

Do the Texans seem a little Oilerish too you?

The fan expierence aside (which was pathetic) I cant stand the arrogance of this team.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

I enjoyed the game today.

I'm to the point where I can stomach a loss, and watch the entire thing from start to finish, as well as I can watch us stomp other teams for a huge win.

At some point, we have to let go and just be a fan. It's going to be interesting to see how this season plays out.

That's where I was last year. We played damn good football last year, even in our losses (I thought).

our two losses this year... we didn't even show up

ON OFFENSE.

The butt whup'n wouldn't have been so bad if we could have been treated to a little beast mode ala AJ or even Foster.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

As a fan that has watched Houston football since 1970. You are spot on.

I will also wait until after the Colts game to see how the season goes. Thanks for putting into words what I am unabl to say. I wish I could rep you.

Do the Texans seem a little Oilerish too you?

The fan expierence aside (which was pathetic) I cant stand the arrogance of this team.

Yeah they do, but not "good Oilerish". They remind me of the latter Oilers, the Run & Shoot Oilers. That's probably because we keep hearing how we've got so much talent now compared to when Kubiak got here. I look at these Texans and I see a bunch of talent that can't play consistently. I see a coaching staff that's never been able to drag these guys (kicking and screaming if necessary) to a point where they really can execute on a consistent basis.

They quit from time to time. They take plays off and they tend to lose their composure when adversity hits. They talk a big game and say the right things but they play down to bad opponents and get manhandled by really good physical teams.

They commit a lot of penalties in "worst possible moment" situations.

The Moon era Oilers were a finesse team, The Kubiak Texans are a finesse team. Both had their gimmicky approach to offense (Run and Shoot versus Zone Blocking).

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Yeah they do, but not "good Oilerish". They remind me of the latter Oilers, the Run & Shoot Oilers. That's probably because we keep hearing how we've got so much talent now compared to when Kubiak got here. I look at these Texans and I see a bunch of talent that can't play consistently. I see a coaching staff that's never been able to drag these guys (kicking and screaming if necessary) to a point where they really can execute on a consistent basis.

They quit from time to time. They take plays off and they tend to lose their composure when adversity hits. They talk a big game and say the right things but they play down to bad opponents and get manhandled by really good physical teams.

They commit a lot of penalties in "worst possible moment" situations.

The Moon era Oilers were a finesse team, The Kubiak Texans are a finesse team. Both had their gimmicky approach to offense (Run and Shoot versus Zone Blocking).

Glad too know I'm not crazy.

These were the same things I thought I was seeing. LOL

Give me a tough team over a gimmicky team any day.

Pretty is pretty except when it isn't.

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

As a fan that has watched Houston football since 1970. You are spot on.

I will also wait until after the Colts game to see how the season goes. Thanks for putting into words what I am unabl to say. I wish I could rep you.

Do the Texans seem a little Oilerish too you?

The fan expierence aside (which was pathetic) I cant stand the arrogance of this team.

Huge detail here. I'd rather watch a bad team that gave me 60 minutes
of blood, sweat, and tears, than this bunch we have here who thinks they
own the building just by "showing up."

This team doesn't INSPIRE fan loyalty, because they don't return what the
fans give THEM. This ain't the Oilers, and they should not be placed into
the same category. The Texans have NOT yet earned the Houston fanbase.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Huge detail here. I'd rather watch a bad team that gave me 60 minutes
of blood, sweat, and tears, than this bunch we have here who thinks they
own the building just by "showing up."

This team doesn't INSPIRE fan loyalty, because they don't return what the
fans give THEM. This ain't the Oilers, and they should not be placed into
the same category. The Texans have NOT yet earned the Houston fanbase.

Cant rep you

But I dont think uncle BoB understands this.

One day he will. IMHO

Poor Aggies...........

LOL

[HJam72]

What I see is things that don't make any since.

I could be wrong and won't bother to check it out, but it seems that teams in the NFC East just have noticeably bigger linemen than we are used to facing. I THINK that is part of the problem.

Otherwise, I go back to my first sentence. Schaub looks like he's in slow motion....both his body movements and his thrown passes. Most notably to me, I see people dropping passes and tosses that I could catch with one hand and I am not an athlete... I saw the best WR in the WORLD drop several passes that hit BOTH his hands and were definitely NOT thrown too hard for ANYBODY. I saw Foster drop a shovel-ish pass that hit both his freaking hands too. I WANT THE NFL TO TELL ME RIGHT FREAKING NOW, ARE THE GAMES RIGGED or are these people drugged or what? You're paying guys like $20,000 a play and they cant catch a 10 ft. toss? I can understand one pro athlete kicking another ones butt in muscle to muscle competition, but you got mult-millionaire, best-in-the-world WIDE-RECEIVERS for crying out loud that can't catch a Schaub slow-motion pass????? What, is it too freaking slow for them???

Slaton just runs into a pile like....who gives a F&*)&?

Schaub is what....on valium?

I saw the Giants out-muscle and strength the Texans at the LOS, but I also saw a LOT of ridiculous BULLCRAP. I think McNair should sue or whatever for almost every player's game check. They didn't play....they just showed up and....what, enjoyed whatever buzz they were on???

Dear NFL, if you are faking it, you need to fake it better. The WWF, etc. look more realistic. Wrestlers don't just forget for an occasional day how to perform most of their moves....or how to stand up and walk....or breathe without....what?....spontaneously choking yourself? You expect me to believe that Schaub could outperform (at least statistically) Peyton Manning last year and now, this sudden Sunday, he is molasses Matt? or that AJ can't catch multiple slow-motion passes because, what.....it screws him up when they hit both of his hands?

Dear Texans players, F&*( you. Get off whatever you're smoking right before some of your games and try to use like....a whole 3% of your brains. KJ, TRY to cover somebody. Just try. You might like it....dumba##. LBs, you have how much talent? Well....D*(), do something besides trying to look muscular while the plays occur. Antonio, whoever said it in this thread is right....you're a dumba##. Sorry, it's just true. YOU GUYS JUST DECIDED TO TAKE ANOTHER WHOLE GAME OFF, AND YES, I SAID IT, F*&( YOU FOR THAT. You didn't even put one tenth the effort you should have into PRETENDING that you were trying. Mr. Commissioner, make these morons pretend they are trying...