The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[Porky]

If I am Bob Mcnair, I'm checking the long distance rates to North Carolina about right now.

[awtysst]

Here is the problem. You cannot fire coaches in the middle of the season. There is simply nobody better out there who can come in and do anything. Who could come in right now and do better?

Cowher? Nah. He likes a 3-4 D and a smash mouth power offense. We have neither. How would Cowher do any better running something he is unfamiliar?

Jon Gruden? Nah. He made his name off a studly Defense and one good year powered by a studly Oakland D. He is overated,

Jim Fassell: Pass.

Simply put there are no options for Head Coach right now. If you want to fire Kubiak after the season then wait to make this thread until after they have lost more games than they have won.

[TexansBlood]

Im so thinking about the pink soap!

Pondering.....


Nobody showed up today....

[Brisco_County]

This was an offensive coordinator and DB coaching problem.

I think the phrase "Fire Kubiak" should be synonymous with "I can't put things in perspective so I'm going to assert an uninformed opinion."

[Marcus]

Why do you guys always blame the coaches when they lose?

Or is this just a way to "vent"?

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Why do you guys always blame the coaches when they lose?

Or is this just a way to "vent"?

If the whole team plays poorly, then blame the coachs. If it's one or two players, then blame those few players. That's how I see it at least.

[Dwade]

Originally Posted by Thorn

If the whole team plays poorly, then blame the coachs. If it's one or two players, then blame those few players. That's how I see it at least.

I agree. The whole team looks like crap the last 2 weeks.

Either it's a coaching problem, or Schaub is actually that bad.

And don't get me started on the defense.

[GNTLEWOLF]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Why do you guys always blame the coaches when they lose?

Or is this just a way to "vent"?

If the players suck, the coaches had a hand in choosing the players and preparing them for the game.
If the game planning sucks, ....well that is entirely on the coaches.
having said that, I'm not quite ready ,yet, to become a pink soaper

[eriadoc]

It's the players. There is only one player in our secondary who ought to be starting for another team ,and he's a one-dimensional player that fits a certain style of defense. Our CBs do not win their individual matchups, and our safeties do not provide adequate help. That's not scheme, that's ability (or lack thereof).

Our LBs are good, but they do nothing to stop the underneath routes or stop the TEs. This team has been routinely tortured by TEs, except for when the other team is too busy throwing for even longer gains to their WRs.

We have two DEs, but no DTs. We have no one at DT worth starting on very many football teams. We're only two-deep at DE, now that Barwin is out. Our DTs just flat out do not win their individual battles. You can't pin that on coaching scheme.

However, every one of these players except AJ has been selected by Kubiak. Where you can further look at coaching is the fact that our corners almost never look back for the ball.

[DerekLee1]

I feel bad for Kubes. He's a really good coach and his players love playing for him. The lack of talent in the secondary is not his fault, and he's only able to play the cards he's dealt. He gets his team to 3-1, is unbeaten in the AFC, still on top of the division, and has you armchair journalists whining about firing him.

He's a good coach. Just be patient.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by DerekLee1

I feel bad for Kubes. He's a really good coach and his players love playing for him. The lack of talent in the secondary is not his fault, and he's only able to play the cards he's dealt. He gets his team to 3-1, is unbeaten in the AFC, still on top of the division, and has you armchair journalists whining about firing him.

He's a good coach. Just be patient.

He gets to play the cards he's chosen. Every player on this team except AJ is hand picked by Kubiak. When people have widely felt that the Texans needed more help in the secondary, he's drafted differently. Kubiak has drafted three DBs in the first three rounds in the time he's been here: Bennett (bust), Molden (bust), and Kareem Jackson (more NFL ready than other DBs available, right?). He's hand-picked the cards he's playing.

People felt that the team needed a safety, and he picked other positions. People felt that they needed a space eating DT, and he picked other positions. So I recognize that the players are not getting the job done - but these players are not inherited guys. They're his guys.

[DerekLee1]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

He gets to play the cards he's chosen. Every player on this team except AJ is hand picked by Kubiak. When people have widely felt that the Texans needed more help in the secondary, he's drafted differently. Kubiak has drafted three DBs in the first three rounds in the time he's been here: Bennett (bust), Molden (bust), and Kareem Jackson (more NFL ready than other DBs available, right?). He's hand-picked the cards he's playing.

People felt that the team needed a safety, and he picked other positions. People felt that they needed a space eating DT, and he picked other positions. So I recognize that the players are not getting the job done - but these players are not inherited guys. They're his guys.

HE doesn't pick them; Rick Smith does, although ALL the coaches weigh in on their recommendations. They don't get to pick first-round talent every round. This team has had so many holes to fill, they take what they can. You telling me you'd take a safety over every other 1st and 2nd round pick we've had in Kubiak's years here? Give back Mario, Cushing, Ryans, D-Brown, Ben Tate, Kareem Jackson? Be realistic. If we had 5 first round picks every year, we'd have the best damn team in NFL history now, wouldn't we?

[DexmanC]

Originally Posted by DerekLee1

HE doesn't pick them; Rick Smith does, although ALL the coaches weigh in on their recommendations. They don't get to pick first-round talent every round. This team has had so many holes to fill, they take what they can. You telling me you'd take a safety over every other 1st and 2nd round pick we've had in Kubiak's years here? Give back Mario, Cushing, Ryans, D-Brown, Ben Tate, Kareem Jackson? Be realistic. If we had 5 first round picks every year, we'd have the best damn team in NFL history now, wouldn't we?

That's not entirely true. The Texans are on record as emulating organizations
such as the Steelers and Patriots. However, the Texans are not as good
at talent evaluation as either of those other two teams. The Texans make
picks as a committee, not as one guy screaming at the other. Demeco
Ryans was a Johnny Holland pick. Cushing was a Frank Bush pick, Trindon
Holliday was a Marciano pick, etc.

By the way... After the Patriots made the Randy Moss trade, they ended
up with 2 picks per the first FOUR rounds of the 2011 draft. THAT is a
smart organization. They can build up to championship contender, and
rebuild while winning division championships. I like Kubiak, but it's just
about time to admit he ain't cuttin' the mustard.

[Ryan]

The problem with this team is part Kubiak, and the other part is that there are too many Amobi Okoye's and not enough Cushing's.

[Mr. White]

I don't even care what the excuse is

...the players
....the assistants
....the GM

I've heard it all the past 3 years and it sounds like a broken record. The excuses don't wash anymore.

[gwallaia]

If the Texans do not make the playoffs this season. Kubiak and the entire coaching staff will simply have to go.

[Wolf]

I like Kubiak but this is his group, his players and HIS COACHES he picked. I am not calling for his head right now, but I have never seen a team take so long to build.


Rate they are going ,by the time the defense gets in line, AJ will be nearing retirement.


very frustrating seeing the steelers,Patriots,Titans, etc etc.. plug and play players and coaches and they seem to not miss too much of a beat and here we sit 8 years later and we are still trying to get it going on both sides of the ball

My love for the Texans is like an abusive relationship. I try to love unconditionally but keep getting abused.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

If the Texans do not make the playoffs this season. Kubiak and the entire coaching staff will simply have to go.

I agree and if they are gone, Bob needs to pony up some cash and go try and get a big name coach in here..

[PockyAF]

I posted this in a thread in the NFL section. I think it's better suited in a thread on the main section. Since the 'Cowher the current flavor' thread is close, this thread will have to do.

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Latest update on Cowher returning to coaching:

Cowher inches closer to returning to coaching

Posted by Mike Florio on September 26, 2010 8:18 AM ET

It's his fourth year out of coaching. And it could be his last year out of coaching.

Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who led the team to two Super Bowls and one championship in 15 seasons, recently spoke about his future at the campus of Penn State-Behrend.

"With every year, there becomes a little bit more of a void because you do miss it," Cowher said, per Jerry DiPaola of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

"I had a chance these last few years to spend some very special time with the women in my life," Cowher added. "For that, I have absolutely no regrets whatsoever for walking away."

His wife, Kaye, passed away in July. Her battle with skin cancer was not publicly known, and Bill Cowher has not spoken (to our knowledge) regarding the duration of her illness. [R.I.P Kaye Cowher]

"I am not going to go back into coaching, just to go back into coaching," Cowher said. "It has to be the right situation. And I don't know what the right situation consists of."

Here's a possibility. Giants coach Tom Coughlin landed at No. 3 in the first installment of our video hot seat feature, and Mike Lupica of the New York Daily News has now broached the subject of Coughlin being in danger of termination if the Giants fail to qualify for the playoffs.

Cowher, who draws interest every year, has insisted on being respectful to the men who currently are employed, and he refuses to talk to teams who have head coaches in place. With a daughter now living in New York City and with the Giants becoming the ultimate meat-and-potato foil to the Hard Knocks Jets, Cowher surely could deem the Giants to be the "right situation" for him.

If Cowher ever ends up coaching the Giants, no one will have to worry about the team becoming the Hard Knocks Giants.

"I couldn't say no fast enough," Cowher said.

And that attitude will make him only more attractive to the Giants.

We all know Cowher is a closet Texans homer, evidently shown on NFL Today each week. Why wouldn't he want to come down here and coach his #1 rated NFL player, a very good RB, a franchise QB, and a potentially amazing front 7 D?

We have talents in every skill position, minus the CBs as of now, and are primed to breakout and become an elite team in the NFL. We have a set up of good D just need a coach that can set them right and bring out the beast in them. Cowher can do that. His staff that he would bring in can do that.

We're already good at offense, probably need to upgrade our O-Line a bit. I think Cowher prefers big guys up front, so we would have fix that if he comes on board. Not gonna lie, I won't shed any tears getting rid of these finesse linemen and getting some real maulers.


There, of course, has been rumors last season of him having strong interest in us. Now all we need is McNair to reciprocate those feelings. I don't care about the showing respect to the current HC crap. Send the guy an email/voice message, w/e and let him know that if Kubiak can't do it this year than we want him to come in and take over next season.

I know I was singing Kubiak's praise after the first two games. I was backing him every seasons, even in the dimmest of days, specifically after the Cowboys game, but enough is enough. Getting blown the **** out back-to-back home games is ridiculous, embarrassing, and unacceptable. He put himself in this situation by going with two young, and for the most part, inexperienced starters.

I have a feeling he's going to stick with them the rest of the season. That's fine though, if he wants to sink with his ship, like he did last season with the Brown's sisters, than so be it. Hopefully McNair has the nuts to pull the trigger this year if it bust in Kubiak's face again.

I feel for him though. I still remember him saying in his first ever press conference as our HC, emotional and choked up, that he 'wanted to bring a championship home to Houston'.

I wanted him to be the guy to do it. I wanted him to have a coaching tenure like Cowher did with the Steelers. But it just seems like this guy is in over head as a HC.

[DerekLee1]

Originally Posted by Wolf

I agree and if they are gone, Bob needs to pony up some cash and go try and get a big name coach in here..

"Big name" coaches rarely work out. See: Jon Gruden in Tampa, Bill Parcells in Dallas, George Seifert in Carolina, Herm Edwards in Kansas City. I think paying Bill Cowher an absurd amount of money would likely be a mistake. Look at the coaches of your last few Super Bowl teams, and there are no "big names" except for Belichick. The only guy I'd rather have here than Kubiak right now is Tony Dungy, and I don't think he'll ever return to football.