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Old 08-21-2005   #21
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Everyone listen please............Go watch the game agian and watch how many missed blocks by Wand there was. He was falling over himself almost every play trying to keep up with the backers. (I only watched the first series so maybe he did better later on but he looked bad in the first series.)

I'm likely the biggest Wand supporter on this board. Having said that, I went through the first half offensive series' three times, with my eye on Wand once, Pitts once, and Riley once.

The good news: Pitts looked damn good! Riley also was good but you can see that there will be some whiffs on speed rushes on occasion this year.

Th bad news: Wand was pathetic. He played soft. He was constantly thrown aside by linebackers. He never stayed on a block for long. He was the cause for almost all the Qb pressures in the first half and certainly the first sack. I know I'm not that delusional. My impression of him last year was very different. Maybe all this talk about his lack of confidence has more merit than I was giving it. Unfortunately, it looks like we need our starting unit to remain intact this season.

And finally, I never thought I'd say this, but, maybe IBAR has apoint in regards to the oline.............. No, nevermind, forget I said that.
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Old 08-21-2005   #22
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The ????? is Wand. He was in there when Banks was in.
I know. It was brutal. What happened to him?
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here is an article from the chronicle. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3319016
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i tend to agree more with markbeth in his assessment with wand. he didnt play at a great level (i just re-watched the first half offense a few min ago). when wand "zoned" to the 2nd level of LBs he could not drive them back. he was often pushed aside to get to the ball carrier. i could not tell you if it was technique or just leverage issues as to what kept wand from excelling in his start. i dont think there were multiple times where wands man stopped the HB for a loss (i recall 1 with hollings).
I dunno....see even though Wand is a very big man (something like 6'7" &
> 300), he's really not very strong for someone of his size, but he is relatively athletic and quick on his feet for that kind of size. So he can match up fairly well against some DEs who are quicker but smaller than DTs. Now when he has to go up against a big DT like Warren Sapp he tends to get a butt kickin.
There was a play in TC when Peek at what 255 bull rushed him, overpowered him, and knocked him down - Sapp is 75 lbs > ?
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I know that most on this board want to hear the good, so I'll start there...

- Offensive 1's looked solid on the first series mixing the ground/air attacks nicely. A little shaky close to the goal line, but they should get better here.
- Houston's 3rd team is better than Oakland's.
- Mathis looks like he could be a player. He was starting to get separation on the CB on the long pass interference play, but Ragone underthrew the ball badly.
- Swinton had a much better game all-around.
- Charlie Anderson looks like a player, at least on passing downs. I can see him sub-ing in for Babin at times this year on 3rd down.
- Morlon Greenwood made a cameo appearance.
- Morency had some good runs. Nice burst thru the box. It's too bad he doesn't have breakaway speed or he'd have had a couple of touchdowns.
- Special teams play was solid.

The bad...

- Offense is still inconsistent. Tony Banks is not a very good QB. Can we see Ragone against a first team defense? For the second week in a row they went 2 quarters without a first down. Lots of pressure on the QB's all night. 85 total yards in the first half was emberrassing.
- 1st team defense was dominated. They were bailed out a few times with interceptions but Oakland moved the ball at will. Receivers were wide open all night. Very little pressure on the QB.
- Game management at the end of the first half. Seemed to be a lot of confusion from the coaching staff on what to do.
- Travis Johnson wasn't much of a factor.
- Faggins.
- Tony Hollings is not the answer to anyone's question. He will be cut unless they keep Wells as an FB.
- Other than the Murphy touchdown last week, has there been a pass attempt to a tight end? Is Miller now fourth on the depth chart. He ran with the 3rd string quite a bit last night.

Other than the 3rd stringers, it was a very poor performance last night. It was like Groundhog Day... same problems that we see just about every game from this team.
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Hollings is down but not out yet, we'll see a lot more of him the last couple of pre-season games to draw more conclusions but if I had to make a call after these first two games, plus last season I'd say he is put on the practice squad and hope another team who needs a RB claims him and his fat contract
I've always defended Hollings. I've always said he just needed an opportunity. Well, he got a good one last night and did not take advantage. If what he showed last night is the best he brings the remainder of pre-season, the above assesments are accurate.I feel sorry for the kid but he HAS gotten his shot. This is why they ran the ball so much when he was in, they wanted to get a good look at him....p.s. I didnt know he had a phat contract? how much is it?
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I dunno....see even though Wand is a very big man (something like 6'7" &
> 300), he's really not very strong for someone of his size, but he is relatively athletic and quick on his feet for that kind of size. So he can match up fairly well against some DEs who are quicker but smaller than DTs. Now when he has to go up against a big DT like Warren Sapp he tends to get a butt kickin.
6'7", 330 lbs. One of our biggest players, if not the biggest. It's just spread out on a long frame with equally long arms. He's a tackle; his build and speed suit him for that position.

He's also not had a lot of time at guard.
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Wow.

I'm shocked this thread has revolved around a RB who likely won't make the squad and a dinosaur who we know is average at best.

I love Petey, but he was awful. Buchanan better get it together. Coleman was hit in the hands.

The biggest problem on this team is the secondary. If they don't get it together quick, Robinson won't see a ball thrown his way all year.
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Wow.

I'm shocked this thread has revolved around a RB who likely won't make the squad and a dinosaur who we know is average at best.

I love Petey, but he was awful. Buchanan better get it together. Coleman was hit in the hands.

The biggest problem on this team is the secondary. If they don't get it together quick, Robinson won't see a ball thrown his way all year.
our secondary is our strength (at least the starters are).

petey had an ok night minus the 70 yarder. buchanan did fine last night. coleman was hit in the hands with a ball that he caught for an INT. earl will bring some more talent to the SS spot with his athleticism and speed.

lots of passing yards does not equal horrible secondary
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Everyone remembers that Weigert is our starting RG right? Wand is just an experiment right now. Does anyone think that C.C. Brown could move into the starting line up by the end of this year?
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The biggest problem on this team is the secondary.
The front 7 giving the QB all day to throw will make the the best secondary in the league look like like the worst. And make no mistake, we have one of the best secondarys in the league.

Sort of like Roger Clemens being wasted by a team that can't hit.
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Holling wont be around much longer, not since we got Morency, this kid looks good.
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6'7", 330 lbs. One of our biggest players, if not the biggest. It's just spread out on a long frame with equally long arms. He's a tackle; his build and speed suit him for that position.

He's also not had a lot of time at guard.
Alot of my evaluation of Wand is centered on the fact that he had less than a week to learn the position, and how he performed relative to our other backups at G (Weary, Brown). While he was shaky early on he got more comfortable as the game went on. He had more than his share of mistakes, and there's no doubt that Weigert's starting spot is secure. I just think that given more time to learn his role that Wand will provide us with better depth at both G and T than Weary or Brown bring to the table. JMO of course.

As for our secondary I have to agree that it's one of our strengths. As some have mentioned they were left hung out to dry when the front 7 wasn't able to consistantly get to the QB. Payne probably did the best out of all the front seven, and Walker did okay on some plays as well. The LBs were swallowed up for the most part, and I didn't see alot of Smith. Overall the pass rush wasn't very effective at all against the Raiders bigger and stronger OLine. We'll face our fair share of teams with bigger and stronger OLines this year (KC, Pitt), and we'd better make sure we get some pressure or we'll be in for a long game.
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As some have mentioned they were left hung out to dry when the front 7 wasn't able to consistantly get to the QB. .
According to several defensive players this was by design. They don't want to show all of their blitz packages in the pre-season.

In other words, they haven't found a scheme that works.
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Does anyone think that C.C. Brown could move into the starting line up by the end of this year?
I think he could. He's always around the ball.
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