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Old 08-16-2005   #121
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Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I didn't see that in the game and also do not automatically interpret different results to mean different effort levels. Payne gets pushed back some plays (by the way going backwards real slow for a DLmen is better than going back real fast) and no one has ever questioned his effort level. And by the way, plenty of people do just regurgitate things they have read on the internet.
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Old 08-16-2005   #122
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Haha, Well I was sitting in section 131 if anyone else knows what I am talking about. I don't think it was one of the twins. Anyway, baasically her pants were a bit low for the 2nd half so she had some undergarments showing. The cheerleader coach came over to her once or twice to ask her to retuck.
I wasn't able to make it to the game but if the cheerleader in question was Emily I will be very upset I missed it.
I did watch the first half of the game on tv and wasn't very impressed with our boys but I keep telling myself there's nothin wrong with saving up our whoop ***** for the steelers.
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Old 08-16-2005   #123
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i have a question, all of the preseason games i saw most of the teams had their starters in for at least one quarter and a couple of drives, why is it that the Texans only use them for like one drive because of injuries but why do the other teams leave them in.


Some teams (like the Cowboys) have a lot of questions about
their starting lineup's while some aren't happy with what their
starters did so they leave them in trying to get them to click.
Houston's starters not playing tells me they are comfortable
with who they have starting and didn't need to see more of
them or risk getting them hurt.
As for TJ taking plays off, I'm sure part of that was just being
winded.Even pro-bowl players take a play off now and then.
The difference is they know how to pick their spots and they
don't have everyone watching hoping to catch them.
On goal to go plays this year I expect to see Carr rolling out
more this year in a run pass option.
I don't put much stock in winning or losing in the preseason
except for game 3.That's the game the starters really get
to go out their and work.
Not too many superbowl winners have gone undefeated in
the preseason.
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Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I didn't see that in the game and also do not automatically interpret different results to mean different effort levels. Payne gets pushed back some plays (by the way going backwards real slow for a DLmen is better than going back real fast) and no one has ever questioned his effort level.
Thats exactly why I said "and you can tell that there is no fight going on."

He looked like he was doing a walk thru.

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But other than those few plays, he gave a great effort, and I really enjoyed watching him.
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Other than a roster saying Wells weighs 30 more pounds, what has he ever done to hint he would be a better goalline runner? He has never run as hard as DD and hasn't demonstrated any greater ability in short yardage situations over the past two years. Kudos to Wells for running much harder last season and yesterday, but he has been playing catch up to run anywhere near as hard as DD in the 1st place.
Please look at the game film when we played Oakland, Tenn in Tenn, and Jacksonville at home. Not saying he runs harder than DD, but he does let out some frustration in the short yardage situations.
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Did it ever occur that sometimes the nose tackle in a 3-4 will occasionally slip back a "bit" in coverage to bring an offensive lineman out a bit so that the two inside linebackers can scoot in the holes? I think that is what you saw.
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I am not, nor have I ever been, a Wells fan. I will give him credit for learning how to 'fall forward' in the preseason, but that is, in general, against backup/roster depth players, not starters. Wells was our starter in 2002 and was a 3rd round pick. DD was a 4th round pick and took the job away from Wells. And rightfully so, IMHO.

Wells will get credit for learning how to be a 'bruising RB' from me, when he does it, consistantly, against other starting D's. Until then, he still has alot to prove and EARN back. The guy has the build to be a punisher, yet he plays like a prima-donna, IMHO.

Watch most of the game tapes from last year, DD gets hit, doesn't go down till the second tackler gets there, and still manages to fall forward. Wells turns his back to the tackler about the same time that the tackler gets to him.

I think Wells being moved to FB is an indication of the team trying to find a roster spot for him, and basically admitting that he is NOT what we are looking for in an every down type RB, but he MIGHT be what we are looking for in short yardage situations as a decoy perhaps more than anything else.
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Did it ever occur that sometimes the nose tackle in a 3-4 will occasionally slip back a "bit" in coverage to bring an offensive lineman out a bit so that the two inside linebackers can scoot in the holes? I think that is what you saw.
That's actually called the 3-4 Dagger where the 2 ILB blitz towards the center and the NT holds his spot and doesn't push into the backfield.
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I am not, nor have I ever been, a Wells fan. I will give him credit for learning how to 'fall forward' in the preseason, but that is, in general, against backup/roster depth players, not starters. Wells was our starter in 2002 and was a 3rd round pick. DD was a 4th round pick and took the job away from Wells. And rightfully so, IMHO.

Wells will get credit for learning how to be a 'bruising RB' from me, when he does it, consistantly, against other starting D's. Until then, he still has alot to prove and EARN back. The guy has the build to be a punisher, yet he plays like a prima-donna, IMHO.

Watch most of the game tapes from last year, DD gets hit, doesn't go down till the second tackler gets there, and still manages to fall forward. Wells turns his back to the tackler about the same time that the tackler gets to him.

I think Wells being moved to FB is an indication of the team trying to find a roster spot for him, and basically admitting that he is NOT what we are looking for in an every down type RB, but he MIGHT be what we are looking for in short yardage situations as a decoy perhaps more than anything else.
you can't compare what wells did in 2002 with what Davis did in 2004. The Olines were different and our starting FB was Baxter. I know Wells isn't Davis and never will be, both are totally different types of backs, but Wells has played alot better against first team defenses the longer he plays. There were a few games last year where Wells got the job done and ran some nice runs off. I think Wells being tried as a FB shows his versatility on this team, not them trying to find a roster spot. this is the NFL, you don't just find a roster spot for some guy, he earns it, and Wells has earned it with better play and versatility on the team. I admit, i was a Wells hater back in 2002 and 2003, then last year he surprised me alot. He's progressing and playing better every year, and thats what you want. Draft order doesn't really matter in the NFL, its what you can do. Hollings was a 2nd round pick, I still think Wells is better, and DD was a 4th rounder who'd the best of the group.
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Please look at the game film when we played Oakland, Tenn in Tenn, and Jacksonville at home. Not saying he runs harder than DD, but he does let out some frustration in the short yardage situations.
Well there isn't really any need to look back at those games when you agree he doesn't run harder than DD. That was the original point--why put Wells in over DD in short yardage situations when he has never demonstrated an inclination or ability to run harder than DD? Has he gotten better than his rookie season?--yes, but he hasn't gotten better than DD in his rookie season.
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Denver had 10 for 95 yards and we had 12 for 84 yards... I dont catch your reasoning?
Thanks for the clarification. It did not seem Denver had that many penalties. By the time I posted, I could not find a box score to get the numbers.

Penalties have been a problem since the beginning (my perception anyway). 12 in the first pre season game still tells me this is a potential problem. I hope I'm wrong.
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Davis is clearly a better goal line back than Wells is. Wells has very little ability to find creases and explode into them. Davis does have a good nose for the end zone....Wells obviously doesn't run low or hard....that's why he is being tried at FB.

TJ looked fine to me. I watched the game again and don't really have anything to say about him other than, 'he sure looks good for a rookie'. His intensity and quickness is impressive.
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