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Old 03-25-2010   #21
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Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI
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Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI
I had forgotten just how fun it was watching him run. Thanks for posting the vids.

This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw&feature=fvw
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Not to be word crafty, but it is what Booty has not done. He is a fan favorite but even on the PS you need to show improvement. He is directly under coaches for advice and does not just carry a clip board at practices. If Kubes agrees with you, then he will not spend a pick on QB and Booty will remain on PS.We really need to have solid 2nd & 3rd QB backups.
Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.
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Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.
He bounced from the Vikings to the Titans. Why do we want a Titans QB castoff? Smith has more long term potential than Booty, better height and a better (more accurate) arm. He also looks more comfortable throwing on the run, a staple of the Texans offense.
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Pretty good job on the mock guys. I just don't see Thomas there for us at 20. A lot of so called "experts" are saying he will be gone before 18. Of course a lot of "experts" were saying James Casey would be gone in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, so you never know. As for Gerhart, I would love that pick, and if we don't get Mathews in the 1st I'd be happy with Toby in the 2nd.

AOA seems more like a FS than a CB to me but I'm no expert in the matter. I think it would be a good pick. Not sold on your 4th rounder though. I see a lot of people taking the smaller 3 technique DT for us which is the same position Okoye plays. Are we planning on trading/cutting Okoye? Not likely. At least not yet. I think he'll have another year to prove himself to Kollar and Kubes before they do that.

I think Olsen in the 5th would be a great pick, if he lasts that long, and I do think they will look for interior O-line help in the mid to late rounds. As for your 6th rounders, I probably would have gone in a different direction. Maybe SS or OLB/ILB, but to each his own. The QB in the 7th I don't know much about.

Over all, good job and great effort! Thanks.
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Waittasecond.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I'm not), but hasn't Booty just been signed to a futures contract by us. He was on the Titan's PS last year. Kubiak hasn't even really had a chance to work with this kid, yet. He hasn't had a chance to show any improvement.
Booty was selected by Vikings in 2008 as a 5th round. Beat out Bollinger for 3rd QB but never took a snap. Was let go after poor pre-season in 2009. Maybe it's just me but I think it's odd for a team to waive a 5th round QB after only one year. Titans signed to their PS and waived him end of the season. Before the Titans signed him he had a try out for Texans. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ets-a-new-gig/

My thinking was he was on our PS for some time before going to Titans, but I step back from that. I think my focus was on Vikings cutting a 5th round QB. As Casserly would say "Hey, maybe John David will reach his potential."
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Toby is one of the most acomplished least followed draft prospects of this draft. Problem for me was (I had my doubts too) not enough demand here with all our local football & east coast bias with the early games, I never had a chance to see him play. rmartin65 persverance convinced me I had to see him play. It was the Oregon game. Had to visit a Buffalo Wildwings to get the feed (cold beer & hot wings too) http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293110024 follwed him ever since & the more I thought about it the more it intriqued me to see the Texans draft his pile driving, downhill relentless style, such a weapon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-gIJea6J2c

Now I ask you, does Toby Gerhart look like a 3rd rd NFL Draft Pick? He was our 2nd rd. pick in our first mock draft & remains our 2nd rd. draft selection for your Houston Texans. combined with an excellent combine to his pro-day he has done nothing but improve his stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NIY5z0djdI
Anthony Dixon is a better pro prospect than Gerhart IMO. And both of them should be 3rd round draft picks.

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Anthony Dixon is a better pro prospect than Gerhart IMO. And both of them should be 3rd round draft picks.

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Booty was selected by Vikings in 2008 as a 5th round. Beat out Bollinger for 3rd QB but never took a snap. Was let go after poor pre-season in 2009. Maybe it's just me but I think it's odd for a team to waive a 5th round QB after only one year. Titans signed to their PS and waived him end of the season. Before the Titans signed him he had a try out for Texans. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ets-a-new-gig/
I don't see how the Vikings could have kept Booty, or why they even would. They signed Brett Favre, traded a 4th for Sage Rosenfels and still had Tavaris Jackson who was their 2nd round pick in '06. Booty is easily the odd man out.
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I don't see how the Vikings could have kept Booty, or why they even would. They signed Brett Favre, traded a 4th for Sage Rosenfels and still had Tavaris Jackson who was their 2nd round pick in '06. Booty is easily the odd man out.
You would not have stashed him on your practice squad? I think Tavaris was not doing that well either.
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Pretty good job on the mock guys. I just don't see Thomas there for us at 20. A lot of so called "experts" are saying he will be gone before 18. Of course a lot of "experts" were saying James Casey would be gone in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, so you never know. As for Gerhart, I would love that pick, and if we don't get Mathews in the 1st I'd be happy with Toby in the 2nd.

AOA seems more like a FS than a CB to me but I'm no expert in the matter. I think it would be a good pick. Not sold on your 4th rounder though. I see a lot of people taking the smaller 3 technique DT for us which is the same position Okoye plays. Are we planning on trading/cutting Okoye? Not likely. At least not yet. I think he'll have another year to prove himself to Kollar and Kubes before they do that.

I think Olsen in the 5th would be a great pick, if he lasts that long, and I do think they will look for interior O-line help in the mid to late rounds. As for your 6th rounders, I probably would have gone in a different direction. Maybe SS or OLB/ILB, but to each his own. The QB in the 7th I don't know much about.

Over all, good job and great effort! Thanks.
We are seeing a lot of mocks that have Thomas falling, so we are going with it. It makes sense too, some of the teams before us have more pressing needs than safety.

The beauty of AOA is that he could play both positions. However, we see his true position as corner, as in the admittedly few games that I have watched, he does not really like tackling. Sure he will go ahead and make an effort, but he is not going to love doing it.

And I dont think I understand your problem with the DT. Is he too small, like Okoye? Well, Owens does not play small. He stunned people by putting up 44 reps at the combine (not a surprise to those of us who have paid attention to his career), and plays like it. He is the reason why his counterpart, Atkins, is getting talked about in the 2nd or 3rd round. Owens occupies blockers, which will free our smaller DTs to rush the passer.

We really thought about going with a OLB in the 6th round, but opted to go with Holliday. Holliday will make an immediate impact in games.
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I had forgotten just how fun it was watching him run. Thanks for posting the vids.

This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLh_yO41jw&feature=fvw
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Besides the fact that he played in a tougher conference, is just as big and fast, does everything well, including pass blocking, and catching the ball out of the backfield.

I just dont go bananas for a player who runs over crappy ND teams, Washington teams, and other mediocre defenses in the Pac-10.

I am not saying that Gerhart is bad, I am just saying that I value them as 3rd round draft picks. That is all.
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We are seeing a lot of mocks that have Thomas falling, so we are going with it. It makes sense too, some of the teams before us have more pressing needs than safety.

The beauty of AOA is that he could play both positions. However, we see his true position as corner, as in the admittedly few games that I have watched, he does not really like tackling. Sure he will go ahead and make an effort, but he is not going to love doing it.

And I dont think I understand your problem with the DT. Is he too small, like Okoye? Well, Owens does not play small. He stunned people by putting up 44 reps at the combine (not a surprise to those of us who have paid attention to his career), and plays like it. He is the reason why his counterpart, Atkins, is getting talked about in the 2nd or 3rd round. Owens occupies blockers, which will free our smaller DTs to rush the passer.

We really thought about going with a OLB in the 6th round, but opted to go with Holliday. Holliday will make an immediate impact in games.
Owens is listed at 6'1", 304. I guess if he could add another 5 to 10 lbs without losing any quickness that would be good enough. The Texans started Shaun Cody at the NT position and he's listed at 6'4", 310. The upper body strength is very good (44 BP reps) but he will still need the "lead in his britches" to not get "manhandled" or "stonewalled" by two 300+ lb O-linemen. After all, that's what everybody complains about with Myers at OC being blown of the LOS by a large 320+ lb NT. I don't want to see the same thing in reverse. Maybe the Texans go this route, maybe not. We'll see. Should be interesting.
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Owens is listed at 6'1", 304. I guess if he could add another 5 to 10 lbs without losing any quickness that would be good enough. The Texans started Shaun Cody at the NT position and he's listed at 6'4", 310. The upper body strength is very good (44 BP reps) but he will still need the "lead in his britches" to not get "manhandled" or "stonewalled" by two 300+ lb O-linemen. After all, that's what everybody complains about with Myers at OC being blown of the LOS by a large 320+ lb NT. I don't want to see the same thing in reverse. Maybe the Texans go this route, maybe not. We'll see. Should be interesting.
Owens is strong enough to play the NT in the 4-3. Just because he is "only" 300 lbs, it does not mean he will get washed out on plays. Watch some re-runs of the Georgia games. Owens is absolutely dominant. He manhandles the lineman lined up against him. The only real knock on him is that he will not get a lot of sacks, and will need to take some plays on the sideline.
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Good work and write ups...I have a question not so much as for this mock but: where do you guys get info from to make the analysis on players? When I search video most of the time it only shows good highlights not much negativity...or do you guys watch the games replayed...also are you using media reports in forming your own opinions...just asking out of curiosity b/c I realize its hard to analyze something when you don't know the responsibilities of the players on any given play...again good work
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Good work and write ups...I have a question not so much as for this mock but: where do you guys get info from to make the analysis on players? When I search video most of the time it only shows good highlights not much negativity...or do you guys watch the games replayed...also are you using media reports in forming your own opinions...just asking out of curiosity b/c I realize its hard to analyze something when you don't know the responsibilities of the players on any given play...again good work
Again, I cant speak for the others, but I assume they do much of the same. I watch as much football as I possibly can, and write down my judgements on them. These judgements become more refined as I watch more and more film. I record games if I have to. I also read extensively on the internet, using it to fine tune my rankings. And of course, these boards are fantastic for finding out news on players.
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After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs


Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs


With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.
Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.
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All three guys repped. I agree with Cak in the sense I don't see two RB's being drafted, but a helluva job nonetheless.
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If for some reason Earl Thomas does not end up as a Texan. My second choice would be Myron Rolle. He might be too much of a SS though, what are your thoughts?
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