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Old 02-26-2010   #21
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Oh and by the way, McClain also reports we get the Chargers 6th round pick, not 5th like some had hoped, for the Travis Johnson trade. Guess he wasn't worth as much as some people thought.
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Oh and by the way, McClain also reports we get the Chargers 6th round pick, not 5th like some had hoped, for the Travis Johnson trade. Guess he wasn't worth as much as some people thought.
Uh, oh. That messes up my board. I wished SMith would just come out and tell us.
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I don't know we're pretty loaded at DE. and Jamal Anderson....that there thingy is what they call a bust. and every round you wait on a DE is one more wart. Too little. Not explosive enough. a lot of people are unhappy with Barwin. But I thought he had a pretty good year. Looked to me like he was putting on good weight every week. Be patient with him and he just might turn into a beast.
I was thinking more along the lines of a DB and DT, but your right, they need a DE too. The Falcons need a lot on defense.
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Oh and by the way, McClain also reports we get the Chargers 6th round pick, not 5th like some had hoped, for the Travis Johnson trade. Guess he wasn't worth as much as some people thought.
So does the 6 now qualify for "two six packs and a ham sandwich" ?

Buddy Ryan quote after the Eagles traded Chris Carter to the Vikings.

I can't believe we have folks that want to try the DT in the first once again. Third times a charm theory ? do it enough eventually you'll hit one.

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I can't believe we have folks that want to try the DT in the first once again. Third times a charm theory ? do it enough eventually you'll hit one.
I don't want a DT in the first unless it is a fantastic value for some reason but I can't believe we have folks that want to turn 1 or 2 bad experiences into a general rule. So they missed on TJ. Big whoop it happens. They missed on Carr too. Should they have a rule against ever drafting QBs in the 1st?
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I don't want a DT in the first unless it is a fantastic value for some reason but I can't believe we have folks that want to turn 1 or 2 bad experiences into a general rule. So they missed on TJ. Big whoop it happens. They missed on Carr too. Should they have a rule against ever drafting QBs in the 1st?
By that logic, trading with the Raiders for a starting CB should be a non-starter.
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I don't want a DT in the first unless it is a fantastic value for some reason but I can't believe we have folks that want to turn 1 or 2 bad experiences into a general rule. So they missed on TJ. Big whoop it happens. They missed on Carr too. Should they have a rule against ever drafting QBs in the 1st?
not directly related but the Texans did go another route for Schaub, trading two 2nd rd. picks & swaping TOP 10 1st's. on the other hand Baltimore traded with Texans for a QB (Flacco) & it only cost them swaping late 1st rd. picks & a third
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not directly related but the Texans did go another route for Schaub, trading two 2nd rd. picks & swaping TOP 10 1st's. on the other hand Baltimore traded with Texans for a QB (Flacco) & it only cost them swaping late 1st rd. picks & a third
I think Schaub's a far better QB thus worth the higher price it took to get him.
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I think Schaub's a far better QB thus worth the higher price it took to get him.
Schaub was no more proven than Flacco at the time. Flacco has the higher ceiling, started as a rookie & is not blessed with Andre Johnson.
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not directly related but the Texans did go another route for Schaub, trading two 2nd rd. picks & swaping TOP 10 1st's. on the other hand Baltimore traded with Texans for a QB (Flacco) & it only cost them swaping late 1st rd. picks & a third

Using your draft value chart, when you consider that the net of the deal was Baltimore giving up the 8th pick (1400 points), and the 179th pick (19.8 points) and ended up with Flacco, the 71st pick (235 points), and a 4th round pick (#125 worth 47 points), that means Flacco cost them 1,147.7 draft points (+1400+19.8-235-47). Meanwhile, the Texans swapped '07 first round picks (100 points), and gave up the 39th pick in '07 (510 points), and what ended up being the 49th pick in 2008 (410 points), the net cost for Matt was 1,020 points. This doesn't recognize the fact that the 49th pick in '08 should be discounted because it was a year in the future.

Net calc is that even if you give the Flacco deal the benefit of the doubt he was about 125 points more expensive than Schaub.
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