Put the pink soap away for good: Kubiak extended until 2012

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I just happen to think the system, player development, and player focus/motivation are the areas that a head coach makes his greatest impact. And, I'm very happy with Kubiak in that regard.

I'm thinking pretty much the same thing.

As for Mario, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, with his "injury"

So he only got 9 sacks... boo hoo. If that's what we'll get out of him on a down year..... I'll take it.

But with Pollard, Demeco, Cushing & Antonio putting out the effort they have been, I can't believe Mario was sandbagging.

I may be wrong, and we'll see soon enough.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

How is Charles Grant living up to his potential in N.O., or his monstrous contract? What about Reggie Bush? How has R. Meachem played relative to his draft position and potential?

What is the point at all in bringing up these players? They've got nothing to do with Mario Williams at all? You're trying to bring up inferior under achievers and compare them to Mario to make his lack of contributions to what people think he's capable sound less disappointing. Hell I could argue for any player I want to if I'm just going to look for others who do less to compare them to. Compare Mario to other top DE's around the league because he's supposed to be right towards the top for his size and abilities and for what he's paid. I remember before this season on another forum we discussed who the best DE in the league would be this season and most of the people thought it would be Mario. Myself and one other guy adamently argued for Jared Allen and said that he was better and Allen had a much better season than Mario this year. There were several DE's that were outproducing Mario pretty much all year this season and Mario should be right at the top.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by WWJD

Buddy was always one of those that talked alot of noise but he'd run at the first sign of stuff coming his way.

I'm thinking Rex would probably take it. He certainly has NO problem saying what he means.

Or showing what he means.

Funny how much Rex is like Buddy...and then you have Wade and Bum who would never act that way.

Wade is alot like his daddy too in alot of ways.

I don't know about all that. Buddy punched Kevin Gilbride in the face during an Oilers game. It was Buddy's defense that kept that season going for 11 straight wins. It probably wasn't kosher, but I think Gilbride probably deserved it. He always came across as a little smarmy and arrogant, IMO.

And as much as I like and respect Bum and his son, neither have rings. Buddy and Rex both have them.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

What is the point at all in bringing up these players?

I think the point was even great coaches can only coach up players to a degree. At some point it falls on the player to perform. I don't think Mario had as bad a year as you allege but in any case, maybe that is on Mario and not on the coaches.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I think the point was even great coaches can only coach up players to a degree. At some point it falls on the player to perform. I don't think Mario had as bad a year as you allege but in any case, maybe that is on Mario and not on the coaches.

I wasn't putting it on the coaches. I was putting it on Mario and I agree with your point in this scenario. Mario is a big boy and he shouldn't need any superior coaching to be a beast when it comes to rushing the passer. He's got the size and the skills and the abilities, so it's on him to bring out the beast and punish people. He's just never been a huge difference maker to me. He has spurts where he can pile up some numbers and have a few huge plays, but then he goes silent all to often. He just doesn't ever dominate games to where you think a QB is having nightmares about him like they would for a guy like Allen or Freeney or on the level that Dumbervill was playing this season.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I don't know about all that. Buddy punched Kevin Gilbride in the face during an Oilers game. It was Buddy's defense that kept that season going for 11 straight wins. It probably wasn't kosher, but I think Gilbride probably deserved it. He always came across as a little smarmy and arrogant, IMO.

And as much as I like and respect Bum and his son, neither have rings. Buddy and Rex both have them.

Buddy was great and Gilbride did deserve it. We lost Marcus Robertson because Moon and Gilbride wanted to pad their stats. I wonder if Cash, the TE of the Chiefs, is open for Montana on the TD play in the AFC Divisional game if Robertson was not on the bench injured. We will never know.

One thing though, Gilbride eventually got his ring too.

Imagine how great that defense would have been if Wilber Marshall had been healthier. Him and Lathon and Al Smith for 16 games would have been an insane LB corps. Didn't we have Barrow that year too? Man, that team was stacked. Holovak was a damn good GM. Hopefully our Texans can put together a talented squad of that caliber and hopefully have more playoff success than those crews did. That was a different era as far as salary cap goes, but if we can add a few more hosses to the defense, we could start bringing the noise like they did. That was my favorite Oiler season, excuse me if I get a little choked up.

[Wolf]

Texans SLB Brian Cushing said he was "thrilled" to hear that head coach Gary Kubiak had reportedly agreed on a three-year contract extension with the Texans. According to The Houston Chronicle, Kubiak's contract now runs through the 2012 season. "He's one of those guys (who's) a players' coach," said Cushing, praising Kubiak for the progress the team has made on his watch. The Texans won their final four games of 2009, quelling speculation about Kubiak's job security and helping to pave the way for the contract extension.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...-to-morrison-2

[Carr Bombed]

I haven't read this thread, but I'm still trying to figure out why a contract extension is supposed to change people's opinions of Kubiak. If anything it changes my opinion of Mr. McNair. Giving a 3 year extension to a underachieving coach who usually comes up short in every big/"turn the corner" game is flat out ridiculous.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I don't know about all that. Buddy punched Kevin Gilbride in the face during an Oilers game. It was Buddy's defense that kept that season going for 11 straight wins. It probably wasn't kosher, but I think Gilbride probably deserved it. He always came across as a little smarmy and arrogant, IMO.

And as much as I like and respect Bum and his son, neither have rings. Buddy and Rex both have them.

Come on now, I would have expected better out of you and Second Honeymoon Double Barrell. How in the world could Gilbride have deserved to be punched in the face in the middle of a game????? That was one of the most dispicable acts that any coach in any sport has ever displayed and it was a terrible thing to do before the Oilers were going into the playoffs to throw a punch at a fellow coach. Buddy had been known for pulling crap like that in the past as well. That wasn't the first coach that he assaulted either. Buddy was an extreme jerk for years in that regard. I knew the Gilbride family really well back then and Kevin Gilbride was not some arrogant guy. Maybe he came off that way to you on television, but he wasn't that way in person. That was one bullshit succer punch that he threw in between a few other coaches to. He knew that Kevin would have been held back right away as soon as the punch was thrown. That punch was as cheap as it gets.

And Gilbride has won a SB ring as well.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

I haven't read this thread, but I'm still trying to figure out why a contract extension is supposed to change people's opinions of Kubiak. If anything it changes my opinion of Mr. McNair. Giving a 3 year extension to a underachieving coach who usually comes up short in every big/"turn the corner" game is flat out ridiculous.

thanks bro. glad to know that there are some that actually get it.

can we please win a game that means something. we just get worked in big games.

but boy we can beat the raiders, seahawks, and rams. whoopty-freaking-doo.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Come on now, I would have expected better out of you and Second Honeymoon Double Barrell. How in the world could Gilbride have deserved to be punched in the face in the middle of a game????? That was one of the most dispicable acts that any coach in any sport has ever displayed and it was a terrible thing to do before the Oilers were going into the playoffs to throw a punch at a fellow coach. Buddy had been known for pulling crap like that in the past as well. That wasn't the first coach that he assaulted either. Buddy was an extreme jerk for years in that regard. I knew the Gilbride family really well back then and Kevin Gilbride was not some arrogant guy. Maybe he came off that way to you on television, but he wasn't that way in person. That was one bullshit succer punch that he threw in between a few other coaches to. He knew that Kevin would have been held back right away as soon as the punch was thrown. That punch was as cheap as it gets.

And Gilbride has won a SB ring as well.

meh, gilbride sucked and was a stat monger like Moon...but that is another thread.

buddy ryan was great and he didn't even really try and hurt gilbride. how could he hurt Kevin? Buddy was an old man sticking up for his player that just blew out his knee because of the gilbride/moon hijinks.

[Silver Oak]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

thanks bro. glad to know that there are some that actually get it.

can we please win a game that means something. we just get worked in big games.

but boy we can beat the raiders, seahawks, and rams. whoopty-freaking-doo.

...and Patriots, Bengals, Miami, and San Francisco. 3 of those games were against playoff teams from this year, or the year previous, and all meant something to the other side.

of course, I'm one of those who don't "actually get it", so what do I know?

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Silver Oak

...and Patriots, Bengals, Miami, and San Francisco. 3 of those games were against playoff teams from this year, or the year previous, and all meant something to the other side.

of course, I'm one of those who don't "actually get it", so what do I know?

the bengals win was quality and we played real well against the Dolphins in a must-have game. those are good wins dont get me wrong. the 49er game was a good win but lets face it, the 49ers suck. The Patriots win was also a must-have game but we can all agree the Patriots didn't put up much of a fight yet still managed to make the game competitive. Still a good win and at least made the Jets-Bengals game mean something...although it meant nothing to the Bengals obviously.

you 'get it' more than most around here do, Silver Oak. I am not trying to be negative nancy, but we gotta start winning some divisional games and not just win enough games to keep Gary employed.

Hopefully things will turn around this year because its gonna be a long drought of football for us fans after 2010. we may never get our game back the way it was and it may become Baseball 2.0 as far as competitive balance goes. We don't want that and we need to pull out all stops to win in 2010. Not just make the playoffs but win the Super Bowl. that is what our goal should be every year. not 8-8 or 9-7 or playoffs...but Super Bowl. Shoot for the championship and even if you come short, you probably accomplished something worthy of mention and far more than you would have if your target is mediocrity or just playoffs.

[Joe Texan]

Song is written just need to find a camera

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

meh, gilbride sucked and was a stat monger like Moon...but that is another thread.

buddy ryan was great and he didn't even really try and hurt gilbride. how could he hurt Kevin? Buddy was an old man sticking up for his player that just blew out his knee because of the gilbride/moon hijinks.

Gilbride's been a pretty good OC for a long time in this league. He's never been the greatest, but come on he helped anchor the Oilers to some great offenses where Warren Moon always threw that classic pick in so many games. And that horrible playoff game was on Buddy Ryan's defense. They gave up a 32 point lead for heaven's sake. And hell, Gilbride just won a SB ring with Eli Manning as his QB of that offense.

A player can get hurt on any given play. That wasn't Gilbride's fault that he got hurt. And you don't think that he was trying to hurt him? Really??? He freaking punched him and it was between two coaches to where Gilbride couldn't even defend himself or retaliate. It was as cheap of a move as I've ever seen. And that was extremely embarrassing to the Oilers organization at the time and that happened on the last game of the season right when we were headed into the playoffs. That was a huge distraction for that team to deal with and answer about at that time. It was the biggest story in the NFL at the time by far. And again, Buddy had done in the past as well. That wasn't his first time punching a fellow coach on the same staff. Buddy was being a piece of shit to Gilbride that entire season and it had been becoming a problem way before that punch ever took place.

Said Gilbride the next day, "It's a daily, ongoing thing. The comments, the sarcasm, the denigrating and disparaging remarks toward the offense. We try to just survive it. That's what we're going to do. My best way of handling it is to try to stay far away from the guy and try not to respond to his incessant remarks and just stay focused on who I thought the opponent was -- the teams we play week to week."

Here's a little tid bit from Wade Phillips where he talks about what a piece of shit Buddy Ryan was.

Broncos coach Wade Phillips, who had worked for Ryan in Philadelphia, saw the punch on TV and said it didn't surprise him. "He has slugged people on the sideline before,'' Phillips said . "Assistant coaches who were next to him got it. I was always up in the press box with the headset on, so I didn't."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/wildcoaches.html

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

the bengals win was quality and we played real well against the Dolphins in a must-have game. those are good wins dont get me wrong. the 49er game was a good win but lets face it, the 49ers suck. The Patriots win was also a must-have game but we can all agree the Patriots didn't put up much of a fight yet still managed to make the game competitive. Still a good win and at least made the Jets-Bengals game mean something...although it meant nothing to the Bengals obviously.

you 'get it' more than most around here do, Silver Oak. I am not trying to be negative nancy, but we gotta start winning some divisional games and not just win enough games to keep Gary employed.

Hopefully things will turn around this year because its gonna be a long drought of football for us fans after 2010. we may never get our game back the way it was and it may become Baseball 2.0 as far as competitive balance goes. We don't want that and we need to pull out all stops to win in 2010. Not just make the playoffs but win the Super Bowl. that is what our goal should be every year. not 8-8 or 9-7 or playoffs...but Super Bowl. Shoot for the championship and even if you come short, you probably accomplished something worthy of mention and far more than you would have if your target is mediocrity or just playoffs.

First off, the Niners didn't suck. They finished up 8-8. At the time we played them, they were 3-2 and a lot of people expect a lot from them. They beat the Cardinals twice.

Secondly, even though the Patriots didn't play a couple of guys who were hurt, they were playing to win. If that was a give-up game, then Randy Moss and Brady wouldn't have been playing at all.

Third, I think Kubiak's goal IS to win the Super Bowl. I don't think the goal is just getting to the play offs or just having a winning season. But different coaches approach that different ways. Many coaches take the approach of "Make it to the playoffs and once you get there THEN you shoot for the Super Bowl." Several coaches who've won Super Bowls have taken that mind set. It's very similar to the approach of just taking 1 game at a time. Just concentrate on winning the next game and don't look past it.

But ultimately, almost all of the talk you hear from coaches is just rhetoric. None of it really matters much. It doesn't really show you what's going on in the coaches head, it's not a good indicator of how that coach works with or motivates his players.

[CloakNNNdagger]

For those of you who were not watching the infamous "punch" game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPK3cDl7Ftw

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

you 'get it' more than most around here do, Silver Oak. I am not trying to be negative nancy, but we gotta start winning some divisional games and not just win enough games to keep Gary employed.

We're all on the same page here. It's not like you're telling anybody anything they don't know.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Come on now, I would have expected better out of you and Second Honeymoon Double Barrell. How in the world could Gilbride have deserved to be punched in the face in the middle of a game????? That was one of the most dispicable acts that any coach in any sport has ever displayed and it was a terrible thing to do before the Oilers were going into the playoffs to throw a punch at a fellow coach. Buddy had been known for pulling crap like that in the past as well. That wasn't the first coach that he assaulted either. Buddy was an extreme jerk for years in that regard. I knew the Gilbride family really well back then and Kevin Gilbride was not some arrogant guy. Maybe he came off that way to you on television, but he wasn't that way in person. That was one bullshit succer punch that he threw in between a few other coaches to. He knew that Kevin would have been held back right away as soon as the punch was thrown. That punch was as cheap as it gets.

And Gilbride has won a SB ring as well.

Well, first off, Tex, my statement was purely tongue-in-cheek from a 'hardcore football fan' perspective. I hate the run & shoot for the 35-3 debacle, simply because they could not protect a lead. Gilbride's arrogance back then was that they did not even need a TE or FB on the roster. That's on him and Pardee as masters of the r&s.

My statement about Buddy Ryan was in direct response to WWJD, when she said "Buddy was always one of those that talked alot of noise but he'd run at the first sign of stuff coming his way."

I did not feel this was true, which has been clearly revealed by my statement and yours, as well. I'm not justifying his behavior - dude was temperamental, at best - but he certainly was not one to run away from trouble. But he called it like he saw it, and Gilbride's offense could not control the clock and Ryans called it the "chuck and duck". If Gilbride had just let Buddy blow off steam, the famous punch never would have happened. The truth is that Kevin started talking trash and Buddy punched him.

And I'm aware that Gilbride got a ring, but this was about the Ryans vs. the Phillips in my statement to WWJD.

Obviously, you have more of a personal stake in the story, so your objectivity is a bit slanted, but that's cool. Mine is, too, because 35-3 left a permanent stain on any player, coach, and franchise associated with it. Disgusting stuff, indeed.

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

And that horrible playoff game was on Buddy Ryan's defense. They gave up a 32 point lead for heaven's sake.

Now you're just plain wrong. Jim Eddy was the Oilers DC for that game, and he was fired as a scapegoat. He ended up in Dallas the next year and got two rings with them, IIRC. (I think the entire staff should have been sacked, but what do I know, I was just an angry fan.)

Buddy was hired the next season. The Oilers started the season 1-4, but it was Ryan's 46 defense that lit a fire and sent them on an 11 game winning streak.

He might have been a jerk, but he was one of the best DCs in the NFL. His 1985 Chicago Bears defense is still considered one of the best in football history.

Prior to that, he got a ring with the Jets in the infamous Joe Namath Super Bowl, creating multiple blitz packages that changed NFL defenses forever.

Then he was the DC for the Vikings "Purple People Eaters", one of the all-time great Ds in history.

You might not like him, but there is no denying his impact on pro football. There have been lots of jerks in the game, but when all that matters is wins and losses, I'd rather have a winning jerk than a nice guy loser. JMO

[WWJD]

DB..my statement about Buddy running was in reference (and I should have said so) to an episode involving Jimmy Johnson..infamous bounty game...Buddy ran into the locker room before Jimmy could get to him and Jimmy said something to the effect of he was going to talk to Buddy but he ran his fat ass into the lockerroom.

That was the nice version Jimmy said at his after game press conference. In private I am sure he wasn't as well spoken.

Any other incidents involving Buddy I don't know about other than the punching Kevin thing which was a huge deal..

I always wished Jimmy would have had the chance to "talk" to Buddy face to face that day. Unfortunately Buddy ran and got away too soon. Sure wasn't any big man in him that day.