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Old 01-23-2010   #81
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I'm just asking the questions. I had heard lots of mb chatter on DT, so I thought I would push a bit.

Course, another guy folks are falling in love with, perhaps justifiable so, is Iupati.

If Iupati, Dez, and Thomas were on the board, the decision is not so easy for me. mussop's analysis of Dez's impact on our offense resonates with me. Conversely, OG is a position of need. So is FS.

I just want people thinking about opportunity costs, and had hoped to stimulate discussion.
My feelings for Iupati are well documented.
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My feelings for Iupati are well documented.
Yup. And while I am not entirely sure that my thought process is yet complete or cemented, but I will think out loud.

Iupati at 20. CB draft is deep, so address later.

Or, Thomas at 20. Asamoah in the 2nd. Address CB later.

I am unqualified to differentiate between OG talent, Iupati and Asamoah. Now, Thomas I am familiar with, since I live in Austin, and have UT football crammed down my piehole -- fortunately, it has been good football last 2 years --- hey, Earl Thomas has been with UT last 2 years. Funny, I remember the sportstalk ilk all up in arms about the freshman safeties 2 years ago before the first game. They changed their tune quickly. Thomas is a special talent, and FS is a position of need.

Man, I am torn. "Finkle...Einhorn...Finkle...Einhorn" I will just have to do more research and agonize a bit more. It will be a long wait from SB Sunday until late April.
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Yup. And while I am not entirely sure that my thought process is yet complete or cemented, but I will think out loud.

Iupati at 20. CB draft is deep, so address later.

Or, Thomas at 20. Asamoah in the 2nd. Address CB later.

I am unqualified to differentiate between OG talent, Iupati and Asamoah. Now, Thomas I am familiar with, since I live in Austin, and have UT football crammed down my piehole -- fortunately, it has been good football last 2 years --- hey, Earl Thomas has been with UT last 2 years. Funny, I remember the sportstalk ilk all up in arms about the freshman safeties 2 years ago before the first game. They changed their tune quickly. Thomas is a special talent, and FS is a position of need.

Man, I am torn. "Finkle...Einhorn...Finkle...Einhorn" I will just have to do more research and agonize a bit more. It will be a long wait from SB Sunday until late April.
Me too!
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I like Dez Bryant, I think he would be a wonderful weapon to add to the offense but I also see him as a luxury pick that we just can't afford right now. We've got holes on the O-line and secondary that need to be filled first.

Someone mentioned Jahvid Best as a possible 1st round pick. I like his running style and either he or Spiller would be perfect for our one cut and go system. If we traded down in the 1st then I wouldn't mind him late in the 1st.
I think if we traded down and got more picks and Dez was still there, I would pull the trigger. He would help open up the field for both AJ and the running game. Hard to play the run with two explosive guys outside.

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I think what he meant was that WR isn't really a position of need (assuming we have the same players on the roster). The thought that if you're addressing a position that doesn't need to be addressed, then it could be considered a luxury pick. That you're succeeding with with what you have now and that it could actually be considered a strength. With that said, I'm a believer that you upgrade a position/your team any way you can. Who knows if you're going to have the same opportunity over the next few years. If you're getting a superstar like Andre Johnson... that would be huge!

There's one draft theory about building a 'super unit'. It could be about building a team, in general. But instead of getting above average, quality guys all around. You stock up on extremely great talent at one position. You build a super unit that forces opposing teams to spend the vast majority of their time gameplanning against and still having trouble defeating it. With this theory, and going back to your original post.... it wouldn't be a luxury pick at all. It would be a necessity to get your team to the level you want!
I think one of the reasons we go into droughts is that outside of AJ and OD, we don't really have a dependable WR. DA is ok in the slot, but he is a little two small and slow to make that much of an impact. Walter is a great blocking WR, and is a decent reciever, but I do not think he is a "playmaker". WR could use an upgrade, me thinks.
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I think one of the reasons we go into droughts is that outside of AJ and OD, we don't really have a dependable WR. DA is ok in the slot, but he is a little two small and slow to make that much of an impact. Walter is a great blocking WR, and is a decent reciever, but I do not think he is a "playmaker". WR could use an upgrade, me thinks.
If we focus on the offensive side of the ball, just think about how great we could be if we pick up a starting calibre guard and a solid RB to add to the rotation in Free Agency. Then in the 1st/2nd round go WR Dez Bryant and RB Ryan Matthews.

I think our OL would be good plus Schaub would have weapons of Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Jacoby Jones, Owen Daniels. Throw in the RB's of Slaton, Foster, Ryan Matthews + FA.... Might be near unstoppable.

3rd and 4th round we might be able to get a FS and DT rotation.
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If we focus on the offensive side of the ball, just think about how great we could be if we pick up a starting calibre guard and a solid RB to add to the rotation in Free Agency. Then in the 1st/2nd round go WR Dez Bryant and RB Ryan Matthews.

I think our OL would be good plus Schaub would have weapons of Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Jacoby Jones, Owen Daniels. Throw in the RB's of Slaton, Foster, Ryan Matthews + FA.... Might be near unstoppable.

3rd and 4th round we might be able to get a FS and DT rotation.
I agree. Looking at out O, we havn't put anything into it really. No real high draft picks, or FA pick-ups. And we were still 1st in passing. Time to take a step on O and go for it. We have talent on D, we need a CB and maybe a FS, thought Wilson is servicable enough to survive.
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I agree. Looking at out O, we havn't put anything into it really. No real high draft picks, or FA pick-ups. And we were still 1st in passing. Time to take a step on O and go for it. We have talent on D, we need a CB and maybe a FS, thought Wilson is servicable enough to survive.
Really nothing on O?

2 1sts, 2 2nds (with a 3rd from the prior regime playing and a 4th picked up from TN), 5 3rds (6 if you consider picking up 3rd rounder Butler) plus signing Leach to the most expensive FB contract at the time. That's a lot of what used to be termed first day talent.
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If we focus on the offensive side of the ball, just think about how great we could be if we pick up a starting calibre guard and a solid RB to add to the rotation in Free Agency. Then in the 1st/2nd round go WR Dez Bryant and RB Ryan Matthews.

I think our OL would be good plus Schaub would have weapons of Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, Jacoby Jones, Owen Daniels. Throw in the RB's of Slaton, Foster, Ryan Matthews + FA.... Might be near unstoppable.

3rd and 4th round we might be able to get a FS and DT rotation.
Listening to LZ rave about Iupati this morning on my way into work, I started pondering how a few simple move could make this offense probably the best in the league.

If we took Iupati at 19/20, signed Mawae, and took Dwyer, Matthews, or Dixon in the 2nd, our offense would be unbelievable.

QB: Schuab
FB: Leach
RB: Slaton/2nd rounder
WR: AJ, Walter/FA
TE: Daniels
T: D. Brown, Winston
G: Iupati, Caldwell
C: Mawae

That's pretty much unstoppable.
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Listening to LZ rave about Iupati this morning on my way into work, I started pondering how a few simple move could make this offense probably the best in the league.

If we took Iupati at 19/20, signed Mawae, and took Dwyer, Matthews, or Dixon in the 2nd, our offense would be unbelievable.

QB: Schuab
FB: Leach
RB: Slaton/2nd rounder
WR: AJ, Walter/FA
TE: Daniels
T: D. Brown, Winston
G: Iupati, Caldwell
C: Mawae

That's pretty much unstoppable.
That lineup there= TD's in the red zone not FG's and that = wins.

This is the kind of offense that is needed to beat the Colts. IMO

The good teams are usually dominant on one side of the ball. That offense would be dominant.
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Two thing I have to say about this post -

1) Quin was arguably our 2nd best Corner - Unless the position is significantly upgraded he likely stays there.

2) OG - With Brisiel and Pitts both injured and Pitts contract expired (and the weakness at the C spot) I think overlooking the OG spot is a HUGE mistake. There are only a few players I pass on Mike Iupati for in this draft. Dez Bryant , Joe Haden , C.J. Spiller and Earl Thomas are on that short list - very few if any are likely to be there when the Texans pick.
This is what I've been thinking also. and I agree with all of your points.

Didn't it strike any one as pretty ironic that their rushing attack didn't get rolling until they hit two teams A. New England, who was resting players or B. Miami,who had players severely dinged up ? Once Crowder went out of the Miami game....our guards started to roll. In other words.....our rushing attack improved exponentially as the talent level on defense lowered to the lowest common denominator. All three of the quick guards are fine.....they all can pass protect and knock peoples pee pee in the dirt when the get off their combo blocks and reach the second level. The problem is covering for Myers. And I believe just judging what Kubes has done in the past, Myers isn't going anywhere. therefore....you raise the talent level at guard to raise the level of the entire o-line.

I'm with Old Miss on trading Picks....but if you want Iupati....and a rushing attack in '10 probably going to have to be bold and move up. Course I also said that Winston would never make it into the third round so you never know. You can always go with the hope, pick the OLT from TCU, Marshal Newhouse in the third or forth kick him inside, (or one of Beerlover's prospects in the second), and hope it works out.

And we still haven't seen Iupati in the combine drills. I guessing he's going to blow the socks off everyone at Indy. Probably do a deal with Cleveland or Seattle pretty dog gone cheap. Both clubs are like the Texans were four years ago.....desperate for talent. And should be well motivated to make a move down....cheap. They both need mass quantities of warm bodies to get out of the NFL bottomless pit. And we don't. Exactly how many roster spots will be open by April 24th for the Texans ? If Iupati keeps Mr. Manning on the pine....and we can dominate the other two division foes...make a 4-2 division record ....anything is possible. What we know for a fact after sixteen tries.....getting to Manning is pretty dog gone tough. I think the most important part of that equation, beating the Colts and dominating the division, is providing actual holes the RBs can one cut into. And that means, to me, getting some girth next to Myers. As close as we are why wouldn't you aggressively go after the best girth you can get your hands on ?
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Right now Iupati is blowing it up at the Senior Bowl. If he's there at #20 we should grab him. Right now my wishlist is . . .

1. Joe Haden - CB, Florida (won't be available)
2. Mike Iupati - G, Idaho (might be available)
3. Donovan Warren - CB, Michigan (might be available)
4. Brian Price - DT, UCLA (might be available)
5. Dan Williams - DT, Tennessee (might be available)

Or we could trade down into the 28-32 range and take Kyle Wilson, Perrish Cox, or Brandon Ghee (all CB's).
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At this point Kyke Wilson and Odrick should be on this list. Both were exceptional this week and worked their way into the first round.

Throw Branden Grahams name in as well. This guy looks like Freeney at times.
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At this point Kyke Wilson and Odrick should be on this list. Both were exceptional this week and worked their way into the first round.

Throw Branden Grahams name in as well. This guy looks like Freeney at times.
Didn't WolverineFan get blasted on here weeks ago for suggesting Graham?...
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Didn't WolverineFan get blasted on here weeks ago for suggesting Graham?...
It wasnt by me if he did. Graham has a special quick change of direction skill that is rare for a guy his size. If we develop any kind of running game at all our offense is going to be really good. Having a guy like Graham/Freeney who can really get after the QB will be worth his weight in gold.
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