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Old 01-20-2010   #41
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I'm not saying that we don't need a WR, I'm just saying to whoever made the original point about keeping Peyton off the field that we would need to improve the run game more than the passing game.

Personally for me I would rather address the defense once again with our first pick. I would love to take Price but I'm too scared of DTs in the first round given our history. My top choice would be Earl Thomas, so hopefully he is still around when we pick. It will largely depend on what teams are thinking about Mays though. I would guess that 2 of the 3 top safeties will be gone by our pick, so it depends if Mays goes before Thomas or not.
Though I think we need to do more than just focus on beating the Colts. As Corrosion pointed out keeping Manning off the field isn't enough if you don't score points as well. We've had problems on getting into the endzone once we get into the RZ. I think adding an OL that will help the offense hold the LOS would be big or adding another threat outside would create mismatch problems with opposing defenses.

I absolutely DO NOT want a DT in the first round. Am I a bit disappointed with the production we've gotten out of our DTs? Yes. But that doesn't mean I want or think that throwing another DT to the rotation will help.

If Thomas is there and we snag him I'll be happy that we're going to get a true play making FS for once in the history of the franchise.

I still think we'd be better served putting our offense into overdrive and being able to score at will whether that is improving the OL, RB or landing Dez Bryant, again IF he's there.
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Since the Kubiak era, the Texans first 2 picks each year have been (DE/LB) (DT/WR) (OT/CB) (LB/DE)

Thats 6 defensive players, and 2 offensive players. Whatever they decide to do, you know at least 1, possibly both will be defenders.

We had major injuries at the OG spot. Dunta Robinson might not be coming back. NT needs help since TJ left the building, and safety has been an issue since day 1.

That makes our biggest needs CB/FS/NT/OG

So it makes the most sense to focus on defense again in rounds 1 and 2.

In rounds 3/4 you can focus on a RB and OL.
I wish Smithiak would go offense but looking at their past draft record I think you are right the probably will go defense in at least the 1st rd and probably in rd 2 also.

They need to get Schaub some protection and help in the running game in the worst way though. IMO
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I wish Smithiak would go offense but looking at their past draft record I think you are right the probably will go defense in at least the 1st rd and probably in rd 2 also.

They need to get Schaub some protection and help in the running game in the worst way though. IMO
Same here. If we miss out on Earl Thomas, I would love to get Matt some help on the OL, then we can focus on CB or FS in the 2nd round. Also depends on what we do in FA.
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Since the Kubiak era, the Texans first 2 picks each year have been (DE/LB) (DT/WR) (OT/CB) (LB/DE)
More accurately that would be DE/LB, DT/QB, OT/QB, LB/DE.

5 D picks and 3 O picks.

Now if you go 1st 3 rounds you get - DE/LB/OT/OT, DT/QB/WR, OT/QB/CB/RB, LB/DE/C.

Looks like 6 D picks and 8 O picks.
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I like Dez Bryant, I think he would be a wonderful weapon to add to the offense but I also see him as a luxury pick that we just can't afford right now. We've got holes on the O-line and secondary that need to be filled first.

Someone mentioned Jahvid Best as a possible 1st round pick. I like his running style and either he or Spiller would be perfect for our one cut and go system. If we traded down in the 1st then I wouldn't mind him late in the 1st.
We already have a guy like that in Slaton. Why use a 1st rd pick on something we already have when we have holes elsewhere?
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So what if Matt Schaub who is now playing in the Pro-Bowl (congratualtions) sustains a grade 3 shoulder seperation, you think the Texans draft board doesn't flip upside down?
It's worth noting that the shoulder injury Schaub suffered in 2008 (and re-injured in 2009) is a chronic conditions. I'm sure we can get CnD (wherever he's been lately) in here to elaborate, but according to the doctors I've heard speak on the radio, his separated shoulder will continue to be vulnerable to separation.

Granted, it is his non-throwing shoulder, and it can be protected by a brace, but this is an injury that is chronic and can affect him mentally as well as physically.

I think any idea that Schaub is the long term answer at QB is terribly shortsighted.
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We already have a guy like that in Slaton. Why use a 1st rd pick on something we already have when we have holes elsewhere?
I would have to agree. Since we have Slaton and Foster, we should be able to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to address that need.

Now if Best/Dwyer make it to us in round 2 then hey hey, they might be the pick.

Also until FA is over the waters are going to be murky as hell.
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I would have to agree. Since we have Slaton and Foster, we should be able to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to address that need.

Now if Best/Dwyer make it to us in round 2 then hey hey, they might be the pick.

Also until FA is over the waters are going to be murky as hell.
You guys speak as if its a sure thing that Slaton returns to his rookie form. Would YOU risk YOUR job on that assumption?
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You guys speak as if its a sure thing that Slaton returns to his rookie form. Would YOU risk YOUR job on that assumption?
By no means do I think Slaton is a lock to return to his 2008 form. I am simply in the camp that thinks we have more urgent needs to fill with our #1 draft pick than RB. I did not say that we would ignore it. In fact I said I would spend a 2nd round pick on a RB if the right one was there.

And I dont see how its any different risking your job by not taking a RB or a FS. Or a NT. Or OL help.
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By no means do I think Slaton is a lock to return to his 2008 form. I am simply in the camp that thinks we have more urgent needs to fill with our #1 draft pick than RB. I did not say that we would ignore it. In fact I said I would spend a 2nd round pick on a RB if the right one was there.

And I dont see how its any different risking your job by not taking a RB or a FS. Or a NT. Or OL help.
Slaton may come back from injury and had a very poor season prior to injury. Brown should be gone. Foster while looking good played 3 games. Moats while seemingly steady is not my starter. What other position has no guaranteed starter and one promising back up? RB in first round screams to me And don't give me the we can draft one later. Maybe yes and maybe no. Your first round is pretty much the only guarantee that a RB you want for your system will be there. It is a priority nedd. Fill it.
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Slaton may come back from injury and had a very poor season prior to injury. Brown should be gone. Foster while looking good played 3 games. Moats while seemingly steady is not my starter. What other position has no guaranteed starter and one promising back up?
Are you kidding me? At free safety we have John Busing and Brian Russell. They were both awful. And Eugene Wilson was injured and is getting older.

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RB in first round screams to me And don't give me the we can draft one later. Maybe yes and maybe no.
We can draft one later... maybe yes.

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Your first round is pretty much the only guarantee that a RB you want for your system will be there. It is a priority nedd. Fill it.
That is not even true. There are ZBS running backs scattered throughout, and will be taken, early, middle, and late.

Sounds to me like you have Reggie Bush syndrome. Dont get caught up in the hype.
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[quote=Super Mario;1352502]Are you kidding me? At free safety we have John Busing and Brian Russell. They were both awful. And Eugene Wilson was injured and is getting older. Are you kidding me? Schaub, AJ, Mario, Demeco and Cushing were injured this year also. In an offense that Kubes insists the run sets up the pass (only changed it very reluctantly his season) a FS does not have impact as a RB. I am ok with a FS that will be 30 next August and Gary likes him also. FYI, on my board I am drafting a FS for back up but not first round.


We can draft one later... maybe yes.



That is not even true. There are ZBS running backs scattered throughout, and will be taken, early, middle, and late. It is very true. There is no guarantee any of the backs you want will be available at our pick in later rounds.
Sounds to me like you have Reggie Bush syndrome. Dont get caught up in the hype.[/QUOTE
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Slaton may come back from injury and had a very poor season prior to injury. Brown should be gone. Foster while looking good played 3 games. Moats while seemingly steady is not my starter. What other position has no guaranteed starter and one promising back up? RB in first round screams to me And don't give me the we can draft one later. Maybe yes and maybe no. Your first round is pretty much the only guarantee that a RB you want for your system will be there. It is a priority nedd. Fill it.
That's why, in the RB draft thread, I was saying draft a RB high (1-3) and draft a RB low (4-7) this year. We're supposed to be a running team, well, make that an area of absolute strength.

Along with that RB, grab two interior linemen (DL/OL) and a FS in the first 4 rounds.
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Are you kidding me? At free safety we have John Busing and Brian Russell. They were both awful. And Eugene Wilson was injured and is getting older.
Wrong!!!! Current Depth chart
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We can draft one later... maybe yes.[/b]
You think Kubiak wants go into next season HOPING Slaton can return to his rookie form or pinning all his hopes on finding a gem in the later rounds?


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That is not even true. There are ZBS running backs scattered throughout, and will be taken, early, middle, and late. [/b]
Off course there will but the percentage of the hitting on a starrting caliber RB gets lower and lower every round.

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Sounds to me like you have Reggie Bush syndrome. Dont get caught up in the hype.
Sounds to me like you have Denver Broncos syndrome. Dont get caught up in the hype yourself.
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Are you kidding me? At free safety we have John Busing and Brian Russell. They were both awful. And Eugene Wilson was injured and is getting older.
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Wrong!!!! Current Depth chart
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S: Pollard, EWilson, DBarber, Busing, Nolan, NFerguson, B.Russell

You think Kubiak wants go into next season HOPING Slaton can return to his rookie form or pinning all his hopes on finding a gem in the later rounds?

Off course there will but the percentage of the hitting on a starrting caliber RB gets lower and lower every round.

Sounds to me like you have Denver Broncos syndrome. Dont get caught up in the hype yourself.
I said Free Safety Mussop. And why are you even listing cornerbacks? And thats not a depth chart smart guy. You listed the either roster of safeties. Cause Nolan and Wilson are in IR so they will not show on a depth chart.

You think Kubiak wants to go into nex season HOPING someone steps up at NT, FS, OG either? It goes both ways.

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I said Free Safety Mussop. And why are you even listing cornerbacks? And thats not a depth chart smart guy. You listed the either roster of safeties. Cause Nolan and Wilson are in IR so they will not show on a depth chart.

You think Kubiak wants to go into nex season HOPING someone steps up at NT, FS, OG either? It goes both ways.
I agree. We have a RB that has showed he is capable of being The Guy (Slaton). Whether he returns to that form or not is yet to be seen, but he has done it before. We don't have anybody at Safety that has played at that kind of level other than Pollard. Problem is we need 2 Safeties on the field at once and only 1 RB. Therefore Safety is the bigger need.

Mario and Smith only combined for 12-13 sacks this year. Would you draft a DE before a Safety just because they didn't light it up.
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Slaton/Foster/Moats > Wilson/Busing/Russell

FS is a much greater need.

If the FSs we are targeting are gone I would rather see us draft Iupati. If its decided that Iupati is too much of a stretch at our pick then I'd like to see Price. RB's have the shortest careers!! Fix the other problems before using a top pick on a RB.
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Slaton/Foster/Moats > Wilson/Busing/Russell

FS is a much greater need.

If the FSs we are targeting are gone I would rather see us draft Iupati. If its decided that Iupati is too much of a stretch at our pick then I'd like to see Price. RB's have the shortest careers!! Fix the other problems before using a top pick on a RB.
wrong, Slaton/Foster/Moats = Wilson/Barber/Busing
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wrong, Slaton/Foster/Moats = Wilson/Barber/Busing
Yep

Both are well below avg as of the end of last season. IMO
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I said Free Safety Mussop. And why are you even listing cornerbacks? And thats not a depth chart smart guy. You listed the either roster of safeties. Cause Nolan and Wilson are in IR so they will not show on a depth chart.

You think Kubiak wants to go into nex season HOPING someone steps up at NT, FS, OG either? It goes both ways.
The season is over, they are under contract, they are on the roster smart guy. We also have Quin at CB who played FS in college and could return there if Robinson returns. In fact as far as safety goes We have a legitamate starter in Pollard and Barber played good enough for the defense to finish out pretty well. Dont think Kubes needs to hope alot here.

NT, again we finished pretty well on D and were really coming around against the run with the current linup of DT's. I dont think Kubes has to hope alot here.

Og, well I dont see Kubes hoping alot here either, not when we drafted Caldwell in the third round last year and he got alot of playing time and started coming along and good OG's are available at a higher rate than any other position.

None of those compare to RB a position that takes maximum punishment and has the shortest shelf life of any position where we have one quality player that might not ever return to his previous form and a bunch of trash after him. So you see it doesnt go both ways.
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