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Old 06-25-2005   #1
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Here's an article from the Chronicle, late this evening,

The title is Glenn says he did team 'favor'. The title is much worse than the article is.

He does talk about how Sharper and Forman expressed that they did not like the way things ended in Houston and that is might have been ugly:

"Seeing what happened to Jay and Jamie, the way I hear it from those guys, it seems like it was a bad way to go," Glenn said. "I don't know the whole story, so I can't really elaborate about what went on. I don't know both sides. But just hearing some of those guys talk, they didn't like the way they left town.

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I agree that the title of the article is terrible...pretty lame when an article takes ITSELF out of context. It should have read "Class Act Comments on Texans."

Anyone can be a 'good guy' when everything is going their way, but real character is displayed during difficult times. I've been extremely impressed by the way Aaron has handled his situation, the comments he's made, and the utmost professionalism he's shown. I don't think there is any doubt that his leadership will be missed here next year.

As for Sharper and Foreman being unhappy--I don't blame them. The NFL business is tough, and the team made a tough decision. I'm sure it was difficult for them and I wish them the best in moving forward. I give them the same props that I give Glenn, cause neither of them 'lashed out' after being released.
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No reason for Aaron Glenn to have any bad PR with the Texans. After all, he is a local talent, his family still lives here, and he has business interests in Houston... all of which will keep him after his playing days are over.
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Neither Glenn or Sharper were pushed off of the team. The Texans clearly wanted to keep both of these guys, and made efforts with both to work things out. In both cases, the players asked to be released. They were both under contract at the time, and could not have been unconditionally released without their consent. The Texans have been improving their talent every year, and both of these guys were going to be playing increasingly smaller roles as the Texans got younger and faster. Neither of them wanted to take on reduced roles, so they asked to be released so they could pursue their options elsewhere. It was the player's choice.

It is misleading to suggest that these two players were just flat-out cut. This is not what happened.
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Neither Glenn or Sharper were pushed off of the team. The Texans clearly wanted to keep both of these guys, and made efforts with both to work things out. In both cases, the players asked to be released. They were both under contract at the time, and could not have been unconditionally released without their consent. The Texans have been improving their talent every year, and both of these guys were going to be playing increasingly smaller roles as the Texans got younger and faster. Neither of them wanted to take on reduced roles, so they asked to be released so they could pursue their options elsewhere. It was the player's choice.

It is misleading to suggest that these two players were just flat-out cut. This is not what happened.

a player does not have to give his consent to be released. you can release any player anytime you want. the only consideration you have is if you can afford the remainder of their signing bonus under that years cap.
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Neither Glenn or Sharper were pushed off of the team. The Texans clearly wanted to keep both of these guys, and made efforts with both to work things out. In both cases, the players asked to be released...
I think you are the one who's being mislead. Sharper was asked to look for a trade by the Texans after the Greenwood signing. When no deal could be reached, Sharper asked for and received his release. The Texans never had intentions of bringing back Sharper for the '05 season.

Glenn asked for his release because he didn't want to be in limbo going into the summer. Glenn read the tea leaves. The Texans may or may not have brought Glenn back. There were no guarantees given. Glenn wanted to go to a team that wanted/needed his services and would more or less guarantee him a job.
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""I know one thing, I know they have some good athletes. The guys that are still there, they have a lot of things they can build on. Especially offensively."
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That's the only statement in this article that might be interpreted as a little
dig or sour grapes on AGs part, as if to infer they don't have the same kind of talent to build on from the D side of the ball. Actually that does raise an interesting subject which is, are we stronger on the D or O side of the ball ?
I dunno....guess that something for another thread.
But AGs comments in general - classy guy
I'm expecting him to start sooner or later for the Cowboys this year and make a contribution to their team.
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Actually, the title should have been: "Glenn says he did Petey Faggins a favor"

In a radio interview on Sports 610 right before he flew to Dallas to sign with the Cowboys, Glenn said that the Texans made it clear to him that they wanted him to come back. However, he felt that with there would not be enough playing time for himself, Robinson, Buchanon, and Faggins. He also said that the young guys needed all the playing time they could get to continue their growth. He went on to talk about how much Faggins has improved and how he has enjoyed seeing his development. It was obvious that Glenn has a lot of pride in Faggins and that he looks at him almost like a little brother. Reading between the lines it is pretty plain to me that Glenn decided to move on because he didn't want to take playing time away from Faggins and stunt his growth as a football player.

The Texans wanted Glenn to come back in 2005.

Glenn left the Texans because he wanted to help Faggins.
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I think Glenn was saying that the offense has a lot more youth than the defense and therefore more room to grow.

The only dig I see is when he said that when he said:
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"I think from a leadership standpoint, I think I brought a lot to the table," Glenn said. "I'd always led. Not just talked, but led by example. I don't know what they have there. I know Kailee (Wong's) a leader and all that, but I don't know what they have there as far as leadership.
Other than Wong, he doesn't know what leadership the defense has. No mention of Coleman, Walker, Payne, Smith as leaders.
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In a radio interview on Sports 610 right before he flew to Dallas to sign with the Cowboys, Glenn said that the Texans made it clear to him that they wanted him to come back.
I heard the same interview and the he didn't imply that the Texans were guaranteeing him a job. The Texans said at the time (and in a later Casserly interview on 610) that Glenn would be "competing" for a job. And what we don't know is if the Texans would have asked Aaron to re-negotiate. He was due $4 million with the Texans this season. He'll get about $1.7 million from the Cowboys this year in salary & bonus. I'm sure Glenn does think a lot of Faggins, but there's no way that friendship is worth $2.3 million.
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I heard the same interview and the he didn't imply that the Texans were guaranteeing him a job.
On the subject of guaranteeing Glenn or any player a starting job, can
a player really be guaranteed a job in lieu of performing on the field? It's
my understanding that that's why training camp is so important - players get
an opportunity to displace the existing starter at a given position if they out perform the starter. But also, one would be naive not to realize that politics are involved to a degree. Top draft picks or newly high compensated vets will be first amoung equals when it comes to competing for starting
positions - the GM doesn't want all to know that he's paying the big bucks to the wrong players.
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a player does not have to give his consent to be released. you can release any player anytime you want. the only consideration you have is if you can afford the remainder of their signing bonus under that years cap.
Actually, that is not correct. You can waive a player any time you want, but you are still responsible for paying their salary. The salary cap limitations are separate from the legal requirement to pay the player - the contract remains in effect when the player is waived. Any team acquiring a player who has been waived picks up the contract of the waived player. Otherwise, the original team still has to pay. That is why it is called a "Contract."

To unconditionally release a player who is under contract means that the contract has been rescinded by both the team and the player. A separate document is signed by both parties to the contract, rescinding the contract and making it null and void. Afterwards, neither party has any obligation remaining under the contract.

Sometimes, a player's contract is "Bought out." This can actually go either way, with the team paying the player, or the player paying the team. In either case, a separate agreement is signed that basically rescinds the contract, as discussed above, and also has provisions for the Buy-out by either the team or the player. The contract is rescinded after the required payments have been made.

With Sharper and Glenn, both were under contract for another year. The Texans liked both players, but was making moves to upgrade their positions, and the whole team. Also, the team was trying to manage its salary cap and was apparently interested in re-signing them at lower salaries reflecting their increasing ages and their reduced roles on the team. Neither player wanted to take a reduced role, and thought they could do better with another team.

Both players have moved to other teams, and have taken siginficant salary cuts to do so. It appears that Glenn will have a reduced role with the Cowboys, similar to what he would have had with the Texans. Sharper's expected role with the Seahawks will apparently be as a starter, as he probably would have been with the Texans, had he stayed. How many years he starts for the Seahawks remains to be seen. I suspect he will start for two or three years. The Seahawks defense is apparently in need of significant rebuilding, and the project will take several years. All things considered, the moves that Glenn and Sharper chose to make appear to be good moves for both of them. I wish them both well.

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""I know one thing, I know they have some good athletes. The guys that are still there, they have a lot of things they can build on. Especially offensively."
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That's the only statement in this article that might be interpreted as a little
dig or sour grapes on AGs part, as if to infer they don't have the same kind of talent to build on from the D side of the ball. Actually that does raise an interesting subject which is, are we stronger on the D or O side of the ball ?
I think he is just stating fact. Defensively we were not an impressive unit last season. We started the franchise with a solid cast of veteran defensive cast-offs from the other teams, and built the Offense via the draft except for the line (we tried to build a veteran line for the most part). We decided to build the offense through the draft and we were able to secure top tier offensive skill guys, and we have just now added the second year of young defenders in our 4th year. It just takes time to build an NFL team since you have to have 22 starters and starter-potential reserves in order to be a solid team in this league. We are as good as most teams in the NFL when it comes to QB/RB/WR trios.
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Actually, that is not correct. You can waive a player any time you want, but you are still responsible for paying their salary. The salary cap limitations are separate from the legal requirement to pay the player - the contract remains in effect when the player is waived. Any team acquiring a player who has been waived picks up the contract of the waived player. Otherwise, the original team still has to pay. That is why it is called a "Contract."
That's not how it works in the NFL (unless the contract is guaranteed). There are very few guaranteed contracts in football, as opposed to MLB & the NBA. If a player in the NFL without a guaranteed contract is cut, he receives no additional compensation, no buyout, from his former club. Regardless of how many years are left on the contract.

I really don't know where you're getting your information that the Texans intended to keep Sharper. Once Greenwood was signed, Sharper was told by Casserly to look for a trade. Maybe Sharper would still be on the team if he had been realistic on a contract extension prior to the free agency period. But once the Texans inked his replacement to a 5 year $22.5 million contract, it was "Hasta la vista, Jamie".
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I really respect Aaron Glenn for his leadership and professionalism, and i hope that he shows up in Dallas and takes a rookies job or someone who is full of themself. I like the older guys, because there are two things that are of the utmost importance on any team in any sport, and that is leadership, and experience. Glenn has an abundance of both not to mention he acts like he belongs where he is on the field. like I have said before some people talk trash, some people have talent, but very few bring all those together and create a presence on the field.
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I've never felt the same way about Aaron Glenn once I heard he wanted out of town before Buchanon took his job. He went somewhere else to compete for a starting position instead of staying right where he was and competing for a starting position.

If Glenn had been able to keep Buchanon on the bench then the Texans would have kept him another year and he knows it. He didn't want to take the chance that Buchanon would take his spot and that he might get cut. Being that PB is an exceptionally affordable player I don't believe Glenn had anything to worry about this season. All he had to do was be the DB we've been told he was since he got here and he'd have made his money and started. Getting cut next year? Oh yeah. This year? I didn't see it happening.

We didn't lose anything when Aaron Glenn went to Dallas IMO.
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